Mangini...Players' Perception Moving Forward

[IcyPatriot]

Trying to see how effective Mangini can be moving forward in his relationship with his players now and in the future moving forward. This has never happened in the NFL before ... he is in unchartered waters.

Let's face it ... the NFL is a "macho" league. More than ever the strength of the coaches persona helps in attaining the right free agents and keeping their coaches onboard with the grand plan.

I don't see Belichick having this problem moving forward. I'm sure there will be players who may not want to come here but there will always be players who do want to come here because players love being coached by Belichick and players play to win.

I'm not making this thread to slam Mangini ... not at all. I'm just real curious if his newfound "ratfink" title (as labeled by the media) will hinder him moving forward.

1 - Will players really want to play for him ... I think it's fair to ask?

2 - Will potential free agents just use the Jets for leverage?

3 - Will he have to overpay free agents to aquire them?

4 - If/when he is not the Jets head coach, will another team want him as head coach with the media "ratfink" title on him?
Just as being called a cheat will hinder Belichick coaching elsewhere I feel being labeled a rat is the harshest ball & chain there could be. Mangini let the media inter the inner sanctum of coaching ... has to be bad.

5 - If you were an NFL player ... would you want to play for Mangini?

My opinion is that he has a 2-year window to make it to the AFC title game at least. The Jets will need to shed this controversey quickly. Winning is the only way he sheds the "ratfink" title. I think all the above applies to Mangini even if he is not a rat. So long as the media labels him the rat .. he shall be one. Just as being a cheat will follow Belichick ... regardless of how undeserving either title shall be.

 

[LoveDemPats]

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Trying to see how effective Mangini can be moving forward in his relationship with his players now and in the future moving forward. This has never happened in the NFL before ... he is in unchartered waters.

Let's face it ... the NFL is a "macho" league. More than ever the strength of the coaches persona helps in attaining the right free agents and keeping their coaches onboard with the grand plan.

I don't see Belichick having this problem moving forward. I'm sure there will be players who may not want to come here but there will always be players who do want to come here because players love being coached by Belichick and players play to win.

I'm not making this thread to slam Mangini ... not at all. I'm just real curious if his newfound "ratfink" title (as labeled by the media) will hinder him moving forward.

1 - Will players really want to play for him ... I think it's fair to ask?

2 - Will potential free agents just use the Jets for leverage?

3 - Will he have to overpay free agents to aquire them?

4 - If/when he is not the Jets head coach, will another team want him as head coach with the media "ratfink" title on him?
Just as being called a cheat will hinder Belichick coaching elsewhere I feel being labeled a rat is the harshest ball & chain there could be. Mangini let the media inter the inner sanctum of coaching ... has to be bad.

5 - If you were an NFL player ... would you want to play for Mangini?

My opinion is that he has a 2-year window to make it to the AFC title game at least. The Jets will need to shed this controversey quickly. Winning is the only way he sheds the "ratfink" title. I think all the above applies to Mangini even if he is not a rat. So long as the media labels him the rat .. he shall be one. Just as being a cheat will follow Belichick ... regardless of how undeserving either title shall be.

Good job. I tried to make this point yesterday, but I was not nearly as clear. I think that the Rat is facing an impossible task. I think that he will have a hard time coaching the team. Contrary to what people think about BB's future, it is the Rat's future that will be scrutinized by the most important audience, his team. Coaching a team is certainly not easy. But, if you as the coach have some clout as a strong, dependable, honorable leader, you can use that clout as a type of armor. The tattling makes EM look like a cry baby. Players will not look to play for him because that team is going to have serious fractures at the foundation level. When he looses this job, there will be some coaches who will bring him on, Fisher etc. but he will always be labeled. It is a small community, the NFL.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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Mangini was already having some trouble in the locker room. His handling of veteran guys is not sitting well with their teamates. If you do that and win, all is forgiven. Lose, and it's a whole different scenario. Lose after being labled a rat...

I don't see Eric's ego allowing for mea culpas, either. Bill does it regularly in part because he doesn't care what the media or their audience thinks. Eric will find it hard to mouth the words, we need to coach better we need to prepare better, we need to game plan better. He'll find it hard also to avoid the urge to at best simultaneously point fingers at the guys or units he will feel are letting him and the team down. Bill always manages to avoid that. But Mangini cares about what is said about him by the media. That is where he and Bill differ. He can try to emulate the master, but in the final analysis unless you are secure you cannot successfully manage that. On some level Eric is subconsciously insecure, which is how we got here in the final analysis.

At the end of the day, players just want their money, but the majority want to win so they will keep getting it and more.

 

[Rob0729]

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Mangini was already having some trouble in the locker room. His handling of veteran guys is not sitting well with their teamates. If you do that and win, all is forgiven. Lose, and it's a whole different scenario. Lose after being labled a rat...

I don't see Eric's ego allowing for mea culpas, either. Bill does it regularly in part because he doesn't care what the media or their audience thinks. Eric will find it hard to mouth the words, we need to coach better we need to prepare better, we need to game plan better. He'll find it hard also to avoid the urge to at best simultaneously point fingers at the guys or units he will feel are letting him and the team down. Bill always manages to avoid that. But Mangini cares about what is said about him by the media. That is where he and Bill differ. He can try to emulate the master, but in the final analysis unless you are secure you cannot successfully manage that. On some level Eric is subconsciously insecure, which is how we got here in the final analysis.

At the end of the day, players just want their money, but the majority want to win so they will keep getting it and more.

I agree. I think Mangini has already built up a negative image among players around the league before this. I think the whole Pete Kendall situation have players wondering about Mangini. I think that he was going to fine Thomas Jones because his agent spoke to the media about Jones' injury will scare off players. I think his near Tom Coughlin type approach to training camp will scare off players.

Players will put up with a lot of crap while they are winning. In fact, players were complaining about Mangini during training camp last year and started to shut up when they started to win. But if things start to go bad which could very well happen this year, players will turn on a coach who doesn't treat his players well pretty quickly. Ask Tom Coughlin.

 

[fgssand]

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I wish nothing but the worst for the piece of garbage known as Eric the Rat.

People are judged by their actions - he ratted out his mentor and ex friend, how do you do that type of thing?? They guy ,made him what he is today.

Wait until the losses mount up and the love affair the NY press currently has with him dissipates. They way he handles that kind of adversity will tell how long he will last. How long will his fellow rat Tannenbaum stick by his side??

Nobody likes a squealer, not in NY, NJ, Mass. not anywhere.

You are what you are Eric Mangini and you are a rat.

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

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I think people tend to overstate the effect of coaches on free agency. The Belichicks (who some players will take less to play for) and Coughlins (who some players will avoid) are the exceptions. Most players just follow the money and don't worry about the coach.

As for Mangini's future job searches, a lot will depend on success. NE woulnd't even considering firing BB because of his success, and if NE did there'd be 30 teams lining up to hire him. If Mangini has success he won't struggle to find a job.

Without success I doubt he'll get the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances some guys get. I know that if/when NY fires him they will have security outside the door to escort him out and will take actions to sheild themselves from him doing to them what he did to NE. Anyone who hires him will have to weigh the fact that he's a liability when/after he leaves.