Mangini never intended this to happen

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  1. tailgater

    tailgater Practice Squad Player

    Tom Curran was on FSNE tonight and said he thought (info from mangini?) that the jets desperately tried to get their hands on the tape before NFL Security got it, to no avail, because the Pats security team wouldn't allow it.

    To me, it makes perfect sense. EM wa trying to prevent BB from continuing his practice of taping (for future games?). BB didn't. EM tried to stop it by seizing the tape, and it got totally out of hand.

    Personally? I believe it. If you watch the tape of the game, mangini was VERY upset during the game, before it got out of hand, after the altercation began (before halftime). I thought it was because the Jets were getting beat. Looking at it again? I think he was upset because he knew this could destroy a lifetime of relationships, and possibly his career in the NFL, certainly his relationship with his best friend, his mentor, his hero, Bill Belichick.

    Could this be one reason BB looks somewhat calm in the intervews? Or why the commish was pretty lenient in the punishment? Did Mangini go to the commish and make his case defending BB? Did BB hear his side of it?

    Honestly? I think this is the truth. It feels right to me. Mangini just doesn't have it in him to do this. He isn't the scumbag he would have to be to do this.
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  2. PatsDeb

    PatsDeb Supporter Supporter

    Oh BS - the punishment wasn't lenient and EM is FOS if this is the spin he's putting on it.
  3. sieglo

    sieglo In the Starting Line-Up

    I think you're right -- Mangini never intended it to get out of hand the way it did. But the "getting out of hand" part happened after the game when the media got a hold of the story. Mangini looked upset during the game strictly because the Pats were kicking his ass.

    My theory is that Mangini, like any rational person, expected the Pats would get a slap on the wrist from the NFL if they were caught in a technical violation of the camera rule. Getting the Pats busted like this is consistent with the "border war" that's been going on for a while now.

    Unfortunately, the media blew everything out of proportion and the punishment, far from being lenient like you say, was incredibly harsh. So ironically, Mangini emerges as a big loser. Law of unintended consequences. I have no sympathy for him.
  4. QuiGon

    QuiGon Banned

    Not only does this make perfect sense, but I've been saying it for several days now. In fact this morning I made a post "These 4 things I know are true..." #3 is as follows...

    "3) Mangini never intended for things to spiral out of control this far and if he could take it back, he would."

    Of course, that doesn't exonerate him for his actions.
  5. PonyExpress

    PonyExpress In the Starting Line-Up

    And that story will buy you a set of curlers. Mangini set this train in motion, defamed countless innocent people and tarnished the reputation of a legend. Why? Because he was an immature, foolish punk who should have heeded Bill's advice NEVER to go to a franchise as despicable as the Jets, and to wait a year until he was more mature to take a head coaching job. He thought he was playing a schoolyard prank; instead the tiger he was holding by the tail spun out of control and fire he was playing with blew up in his place. I'm not surprised Mangini has fashioned an excuse for opening up Pandora's Box. Excuses are for losers, and that's what he is. If he's so sorry, he should come out with a public statement apologizing, and admit that his own team and many others in the NFL do the same thing. Until he does that, his remorse is just a sob story to shore up a once promising and now plummeting reputation.
  6. JJDChE

    JJDChE 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    Before this incident, if you asked 100 NFL coaches what kind of reaction there would be to a team getting pinched for this video rule. 100 out of 100 would have underestimated the actual response.
  7. FloridaHerb

    FloridaHerb Practice Squad Player

    And when a shark bites someone in the water they're not actually biting them, they're merely curious and nibbling because that's how sharks satisfy their curiosity!

    Heck, a shark doesn't even like the taste of human flesh!

    This is all great shark spin and I imagine it's of great comfort to anyone who just got their leg bit off.
  8. slash83

    slash83 In the Starting Line-Up

    #12 Jersey

    mangina is a fat rat, if he really didnt want it to happen it wouldnt of happened plain n simple... *** him
  9. PonyExpress

    PonyExpress In the Starting Line-Up

    What are you babbling about? Maybe you should hire an interpreter.
  10. DonBlackmon55

    DonBlackmon55 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    I agree that he is not a scumbag, because he's better than that. I think he's just a backstabbing rat pos who will be a pariah of the league by 2008 season. Regardless of the differences these coaches have, the one thing you never do is become a rat, snitch.

    He is 5 levels beneath an amoeba when it comes to football fans view of him as a person. Henceforth is is called MANAMOEBA
  11. Rob0729

    Rob0729 Supporter Supporter

    #12 Jersey

    It was pretty obvious that the Jets leaked this story to Jets Confidential which was the real reason this whole thing got out of hand. If it was never leaked to Jets Confidential, the Pats would have been disciplined quitely. Goodell was upset that this whole scandal ruined opening weekend in the NFL which would never happen if the Jets didn't leak it.

    As for Mangini not being a scumbag, all you have do is look at the Pete Kendall situation to see that the guy can be petty and vindictive. The Jets renegged on redoing Kendall's deal and Kendall complained to the media. This was wrong of Kendall to do, but he didn't hold out. Mangini went on a campaign to humiliate Kendall by first "accidentally" putting him into the rookie dorms, then demoting him to back up center eventhough he was their best left guard by far and Kendall hates playing center, and then he played Kendall well into the fourth quarter of the third game which is reserved for scrubs. Mangini showed that he clearly can be a scumbag.

    I'm sorry, but I think it is spin by the Jets and Mangini to deflect the fact that their actions seem to have backfired against them since most of national writers are saying that Mangini is getting a lot of backlash around the league for being a Judas to the man who made him what he is. Ask Pete Kendall. He will tell you Mangini definitely has it in him to be a scumbag and this is becoming a partern with him.
  12. ljuneau

    ljuneau Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Mangini did more than just blow wind in church, he took a dump in the first pew. Let him sit in it for a while.
  13. Rob0729

    Rob0729 Supporter Supporter

    #12 Jersey

    Lenient with his punishment? This is an unprescident punishment which is far greater than any team has ever gotten. Goodell laid down a two ton hammer on the Patriots. Based on Goodell's ruling, Mangini probably asked Goodell to have Belichick drawn and quartered.

    I don't know how anyone can say a first round pick or a second and third puls $750k in fines (which includes the maximum amount they could levy on Belichick personally) was pretty lenient.
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  14. marty

    marty In the Starting Line-Up

    The problem I have with Tom Curran's explanation is that Eric isn't that naive to believe that WHEN HE BROUGHT IT TO THE NFL'S ATTENTION, that this wouldn't have become a bigger issue. If he'd simply had the camerman escorted out, as other coaches have said was past practice, it wouldn't have spun out of control. Do you think maybe he's trying to do a little damage control now? Yea baby, I think it would be hard for an owner to trust this little punk now.
  15. PonyExpress

    PonyExpress In the Starting Line-Up

    I want to follow up on this to demonstrate how this suggestion by Tom Curran is total horse$hi#. Mangini came out today at his press conference and said he supported the commissioner's ruling. By saying that he endorsed this entire charade. He should have denounced it and apologized publicly for putting this hoax in motion. But he's too small for that. He's like a kid who drops a stone from an overpass as a prank. It hits someone in the windshield and causes a major accident. He slinks off, and when someone asks him if he saw the wreck, says, "Yeah, I think the guy was drunk."
  16. SVN

    SVN Hall of Fame Poster

    or he couldve just flipped his finger when the cameramen were filming it and gone on with the business of playing the game. what wouldve he acheived if he had taken the tape and not given to the nfl ?
  17. Patsfanin Philly

    Patsfanin Philly Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    #95 Jersey

    What's the expression, " be careful what you wish for" Well Mr. Mangini, you got your wish by outing the Patriots and their signal collection methods. Those same methods that helped get you the Jets head coaching know the one that you got and then tried to raid your previous employer of his coaches????
    You got your wish and BB was punished but now you have to live with the ramifications of your actions. As I posted earlier, you are now in the spotlight and you'd better hope that your own house is in order ....
  18. Rob0729

    Rob0729 Supporter Supporter

    #12 Jersey

    All you had to do is listen to the radio today and hear how Peter King spoke with an NFL coach who went on a profanity laced tirade about Mangini or Vic Carrucci saying that he is hearing that people around the league are saying privately that the whole situation is BS and that Mangini is a rat, to see that the only thing that Mangini never intended to get out of hand was the backlash against him. What he is finding out is that he could end up suffering from this whole thing worse than Belichick in the long run.

    I truly believe that Belichick and Mangini hate each other. I also truly believe that Mangini has a petty side to him which showed up in another public case this summer. I also truly believe Mangini thought he would come out of this the sympathic victim just like he did last year with the whole handshake deal. I think Mangini miscalutated the belief in the coach's code around the league and that is the only thing he regrets about this situation.
  19. maverick4

    maverick4 Banned

    Mangini is a punk and he will be out of a job within 2 years. When he falls, no one will be there to help him out. He is dead to his old so-called 'friends'.
  20. mgteich

    mgteich Veteran Supporter

    Or maybe the Commissioner asked certain teams to look out for violations and report them. The Commissioner's office got exactly what they wanted, an example.
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