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  1. reflexblue

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    Several times over the last year there has been talk of buying guns for self defense in the home, and when deadly force could be used. A lot of people are under the impression that if someone enters your home or buisness you can just shoot them....wrong. Heres a trajic case that doesn't make a lot of sense when you read it. The only thing i can think off is Gatti was drunk or high and walked into the wrong appartment thinking it was his (Gatti's) and the individual he encountered was in His appartment.

    Wilbraham condo owner faces no charges after shooting and killing neighbor - MassLive.com

    WILBRAHAM - A Boston Road condominium owner who shot and killed a neighbor Thursday night at present faces no charges because the shooting appears to be in self defense, Police Chief Allen M. Stratton said Friday.

    Stratton said the Woodcrest Condominium resident, whose name was not released, told police he shot twice at a man who came into his apartment without permission, refused to leave and then became aggressive. The shooting took place just before 8:30 p.m.

    The intruder turned out to be the owner of a neighboring condominium unit. He was identified as David P. Gatti, 29, of unit C25, police said.

    The law allows a resident to use deadly force against an intruder providing two criteria are met: The resident has to be inside his own dwelling, and the resident has to have "a reasonable belief" that the intruder is "about to inflict great bodily injury or death."

    Bennett said there is no question the first criterion applies; the shooting took place inside the man's home. The question is whether the resident had legitimate reason to be afraid of injury or death

    The SHOOTER also Retreated through several rooms while Gatti followed him
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    It's tragic anytime someone loses a life, but the owner did what he has the right to do, and that is defend himself. You hate to see anyone die, but as BB would say, it is what it is. The owner has no clue what the intruders intentions are.
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    Yes he does, but something smells fishy about the whole story. I don't think it can be as simple as what appears to be. What sounds like a level headed adult showing up in his neighbors condo and following him around acting threatning for no reason. There has to be more to the story.
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    No problemo here.. the only thing not clear, was did he call the police before he shot the guy???

    Glad to see he is not charged, but are there other issues.. what does agressive mean?? There are pluses and minuses to this whole thing..
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    Good for him, a mans home is his castle, if you make a mistake and walk into the wrong house and you are asked to leave you say "I'm sorry and you leave" this guy didn't this guy became aggressive the owner didn't know what the bum was going to do so he shot him, if it was me I would have made sure he was dead then I would have shot him again.

    Liberals would rather have seen the Bad Guy kill the Good Guy.
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    IMO a cell phone and 911 do an awful lot to defuse most but the most dire circumstances.
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    He wouldn't have to. If he percieves that hes being threatend and was in the act of trying to get away/defend himself when would he have time.
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    As far as I can see, if the story is accurate theres nothing wrong with what he did.
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    I don't think anyone is saying what he did was wrong, i'm not. But the circumstances are a little bizzar thats all. Also ther are

    A LOT of people that think they can just SHOOT first and ask questions later like Harry. If the guy in this case could escape or wasn't threatend he could be looking at 15 years to life....Gatti followed him as he retreated in a threating manor therefore the DA is saying the shooting was justified.
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    All you clowns saying "liberals would rather see..." worry about what your opinion is. It's pretty easy to say "I am in favor of a guy who DOES have a gun, IS under threat, and IS in his own home, being allowed to fire it." There, just did it, no problem. DUH.

    Now, about shooting a guy named Gatti... :eek:

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    Contrary to popular belief this is not the first time someone has fired a gun in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts without at least getting fined.
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    You mean clown, and not clowns.
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    Iv'e read a number of comments on the papers web site what keeps coming up is that the man opened the door for Gatti who seemed to be trying to open the locked door. The conjecture is Gatti thought it was his own condo he was trying to enter.
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    This is kinda of ridiculous...

    First, I would want proof that the owner had no clue the man was his neighbor, and that he truly did not know he lived next door.

    If the guy knew and recognized him as his neighbor, I think you need to look into the fact that deadly force was needed...

    If you have a gun and want to protect yourself, shoot someone in the thigh. It achieves the EXACT same result. Completely disables the attacker, without killing them.

    Since they are neighbors, it's hard to imagine he would have never seen him coming or going...

    I fully support being able to defend your home, but mistakes should not result in losing your life.
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    This reminds me of the Joe Horn case in Texas.

    The Joe Horn shooting controversy refers to the events of November 14, 2007, in Pasadena, Texas, United States when local resident Joe Horn shot and killed two Afro-Latin American men burglarizing his neighbor's home.

    Good old Joe became a folk hero in Texas and avoided prosecution.
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    Burn any cross's lately? They aren't even close to being the same situation.
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    Remember Slinky Weasel Dukakis, during his run for president this "shooting bad guys" question came up Mike was asked what he would do if a Savage broke into his home and was attacking his wife, Dip Sh!t Mike gave his little sneaky p!ssy pant liberal democrat grin and said "he would jump out a window and go looking for a cop".........:singing:

    Imagine what Mikey's wife would look like when he finally got back with his cop.

    WHY DO LIBERALS HAVE THIS UNGODLY AFFECTION FOR CRIMINALS.......................:confused:
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    Do not think this is the same at all.. in the Horn case they were in a next door neighbors home, unarmed and there was no threat to him .. there is a fine line here between this, vigilatism and anarchy. The police were on the way and close by..

    If a cop did this, he would no longer be a cop.. Joe Horn is one lucky dude to have gotten away with this... when you review the 9-11 call, it is clearly premeditated and was told not to do it..

    Extrapolate this to any number of situations, a kid shoplifts and expensive watch and is told to stop, can you shoot him??

    Interesting comments from a Republican on this issue,

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/us/01texas.html?ex=1372651200&en=849acdaef3a9ceac&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink}

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    Horn finally got his chance to shoot a couple of Mexicans and he sure wasn't gonna pass it up, even if they were running away from him at the time.
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    He did the world a favor !

    Police initially identified the dead men in Horn's yard as 38-year-old Miguel Antonio DeJesus and Diego Ortiz, 30, both of Houston of Afro Latino descent. However, DeJesus was actually an alias of Hernando Riascos Torres, 38. They were carrying a sack with more than $2,000 cash and jewelry taken from the home. Both were convicted criminals from Colombia who had entered the country illegally, and were members of an organized burglary ring in Houston. Police found a Puerto Rican identification card on Ortiz while Torres had three identification cards from Colombia, Puerto Rico, and the Dominican Republic, and had been previously sent to prison for dealing cocaine and was deported in 1999.

    Texas state law allows people to use deadly force in order to protect their property.

    If more state would follow the Texas law, I am sure their crime rate would
    decline.

    Just think of the money Joe saved the taxpayers of Texas.
    :violent:
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    There was a cop on the scene. They weren't going anywhere. He watched Horn shoot those guys from behind.
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    Did you send flowers to the funeral ?
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    Here is what I do not get, Horn was not "protecting" his property.. it took place in his neighbor's home.. what are the limits of this???

    Did Horn do a BCI check on DeJesus and Ortiz before he shot them??

    Do you think it would create a larger issue if we just avoided the constitution all together, and just had private citizens shoot people they considered to be a threat to their property??

    Capital Punishment has had little effect on crime rates, what makes you think that this would effect it?? Maybe unarmed criminals would now carry guns so they could get into gun battles in the streets..

    Why have law enforcement or courts, just settle everything with guns and weapons.. would solve a lot of money ills??
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    If he can execute those guys for stealing, what can I do to you for acting like a dik? Maybe break a couple of fingers?

    Not that I'm a violent person, I'm just trying to get a sense of your value system.
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