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  1. marty

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    Just finished watching Goddell and was surprised to hear him quote Walsh in reference to what if any direct contact he had with BB. Walsh apparently said that BB was "like the man behind the curtain", in that he never saw him. I found Godell VERY unprofessional to repeat this particular comment and to me shows a negative bias toward BB, and will help foster the negative perspective that the media has heaped on BB and the Pats.
    The Pats have been sacrificed on the alter of "integrity of the NFL", to bad Godell couldn't manage to keep perspective in the rush to judgment.
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    BB is the great and powerful Oz. But why some video guy have loads of access to him anyway.
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    Goodell is acting like a little child right now, trying to get every last stab he can get in at the Patriots before this finally blows over.
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    Actually that comment made it seem reasonable that Belichick was telling the truth when he said he wouldn't recognize Walsh if he saw him.
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    Couldn't agree more. He looked almost apologetic for not being able to levy more punishment.
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    Agreed, I just was struck with how unprofessional is was to repeat that particular characterization, and how it made Godell look like a little kid especially since it was delivered with the slightest of smirks. What an ass!:rolleyes:
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    Well we know Jolly Roger has the maturity of a little kid - the fine and draft pick weren't for cheating they were because Belichick ignored his little memo :D
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    Hopeful the great and powerful Oz can give the Straw Man (Goodell) some brains.
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    This comment by Matt Walsh backs up Bill Belichick's comment in Mike Reis' article that "He couldn't pick Matt Walsh out of a lineup".
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    I always believed that. Didn't really prove/mean anything, but...
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    Perhaps it didn't prove anything to you, but Goodell was actually answering a question from a reporter (Peter King, I believe) who was inquiring about Walsh having met with Bellichick. He then opted to answer the question with Walsh's own words. You might be reading too much into a simple statement.
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    Goodell didn't believe Belichick back in September and said so today.
    When he told reporters that Wash said he was told to be careful not to be
    seen reporters fired back 'You mean they knew it was worng".
    Goodell seemed to indicate that Belichick knew it was wrong and he didn't buy the "misinterpreted the rule" excuse now or back in September.
    Walsh seemed to substantiate Goodell's belief in this matter.
    Goodell may be right here. It's hard to believe Belichick didn't know
    it was wrong especially after the memo from the NFL.
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    Ok.. WHY did you find Goodell using this quote as being "very unprofessional?"

    I found it comical and telling, actually. That BB is a great manager who takes a hands-off approach to a very minor part of the game preparations.

    Seriously, you really need to explain this one.
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    Ok....Lets see if I can satisfy your curiosity. A more professional response to King's question would have been "Mr Walsh said that he'd never even seen Belichick when he worked there", or "Mr Walsh was asked if he'd had any direct contact with Belichick,and he had not". Simple, professional, no colorful characterizations etc. Godell's way of responding was as you said, telling and comical. Given how little the media needs, to blow everything out of proportion, resisting the need to give sound bites would have been better for the head honcho of the NFL, yes?
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    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Goodell will not be long for that job he has.
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    God, I certainly hope not. He's done a horrible job with this entire situation. Tagliabue would have squashed this back in September.
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    Whether he is or not, he will certainly be remembered around here for eternity.
    While I feel today's events have ended this saga, I am still a little frustrated by how the Patriots handled it from the start. One thing I know is, when you get caught, just apologize and move on. Being smug only brings the hammer down harder...and THAT is what the mediots have done to BB.
    After reading the 'rules' in Mike Reiss's Mailbag, I too feel that BB should have just said "I'm Sorry" vs. justifying his interpretation. The rule is about as clearcut as a STOP sign. I'd be the same if you told the police, "Officer, I thought it meant to just be ready to stop...you know...in case if any cars are coming."
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    OK, if Matt Walsh never talked to BB, how could BB say to him "don't get caught" as Sal Pal on ESPN reported?:eek:
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    So, in your limited view, you believe that Goodell shouldn't have quoted Matt Walsh, verbatim just because the media might blow it out of proportion. And that makes it unprofessional?

    You also seem to have misunderstood me. I found it comical because of the idea that BB doesn't really associate with the low level employees of the Patriots. I found it telling in reference to how BB is as a Top level manager and that he doesn't micromanage the lowest level. My comments weren't in reference to Goodell's purely truthful statements.
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    Goodell was asked who told him that and I think Goodell said his supervisor
    ( the guy in charge of filming ... can't recall his name ) but it wasn't
    BB that told him that. If Sal said that .... he is wrong I believe.
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    First of all, you really don't know what you are talking about. BB didn't try to JUSTIFY anything. He told Goodell what his interpretation of the rule was because that is what Goodell asked him. BB wasn't being smug and its foolish of you to think so.

    Sorry, but the rule regarding taping is NOT as clear cut as a stop sign. And anyone with a brain can look at the way the rules are written and CLEARLY come to two different interpretations of the rule. If you believe that it is clear, then you are clearly not reading the entire rule. Particularly the part where it says,
    . Or, if you DID read it, you chose to ignore it.

    Also, if your frustrated with the Patriots handling of the situation, you should be quadrupoly frustrated with the handling of the situation by Goodell. Because, in reality, what the Patriots did was not nearly as egregious as the salary cap violations by the 49ers and Broncos or the steroid use by the same said Broncos and the Steelers of the 70's.

    As was stated today by Goodell, Walsh kept the tapes for the entirety of the games and did not give them to Ernie Adams until after the game was completed. So, in that sense, the Patriots did NOT violate the By-laws because the tapes weren't viewed until after the games.

    The biggest problem here is that the Jets were not handed any penalty for their taping of the same game. Nor were they handed a penalty for the game from last year. And if you don't know what I am talking about, just do some research on this board. There were several major threads on the fact that the Jets were doing the exact same thing during the same game. And there were pictures to PROVE IT.

    There is another point that Mike Reiss alludes to in that same mail bag. The statement in the memo was not included as changes into the Constitution and Bylaws. They should have been. They weren't. So, for the Patriots to be punished for the NFL's mistake is actually pretty lame. In fact, in a court of law, the standing rule would hold power over the memo. Not the other way around.
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    Sue Sal.

    10 Char.
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    Isn't it possible the reason they didn't want the taping to be seen was more to keep the other team from disguising their signals than to sereptisciously break a league rule. I may be in the minority, but I happen to believe BB's interpretation of the rule that the taping is only illegal if it is used 'in-game'.
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    Goodell re-iterated several times that it was Jimmy Dee, the head of the video department that told Walsh not to get caught.

    So, yes, Sal Pal is talkin out his arse.
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    Why do people put such things as that in their posts? Why not 25 char?
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    You need a minimum of 10 characters in a post.
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    Ok, DaBruinz. You got me. I am not as bright and as well-researched as you. Regardless, BB's explanation was not only waived off by pretty much everyone with a media voice, it was outright ridiculed. The statement "might aid a team in the playing of a game" is pretty specific. It does not say "the" game, meaning specifically the game in which the videotaping occurred, it says "a" game...likely meaning ANY game. It seems pretty straightforward to me, but I am not as complex as you are, big guy.
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    Again, the fact that you disagree with me PROVES the point that its NOT straightforward and that it is ambiguous. You took it to refer to ANY game. MANY others don't.

    As for the mediots ridicule, if you are going to use THAT as your basis of saying that its straight forward, please don't take too much offense while I laugh in your face. The mediots are 75% of the problem. They have an agenda. That agenda is to break Bill Belichick and make him play by THEIR rules. They don't like that he doesn't. They never have. Its why he was fired from Cleveland. As far as Belichick is concerned, they bring no value to the product that is on the field and only a little product to what is off the field. And this whole "SPYGATE" BS is proof positive of that. Especially with all the lies and spinning they've done.
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    You can laugh in my face, but I agree with you on the whole Media trying to bully BB thing. Anyway, I don't want to argue with you because in the end, we are fans of the same team. I am gald to have BB as our coach and hope his legacy will overcome all that has happened. Hopefully winning a few more SBs will put all of this in the rear view.
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    Nah ... Bill is not this.
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    Bill is this:
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    I wish I could have put a hoodie on it.​
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