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  1. weswelker#83

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    What wessy won't tell you is that this is the third time the SC has done this. Each time Congress has changed the law. What you've got here is a pissing contest between the three branches.

    In the end, no one benefits but terrorists--since they'll get taxpayer funded lawyers.
     
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    The USSC ignored existing precedent in issuing this ruling, if they ever ignored precedent concerning ROE we can only imagine the outrage. Why do non uniformed (ie spies & sabetours in the past) have more rights than uniformed combatants of any other war the US was involved in???
     
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    F..ing activist supreme court, what we need is a conservative court so they go against the will of the people.. oh I forgot!!!!

    OTOH if you give them a trial and follow the all the rules, then all this posturing will be done with.. the issue is not guilt, the issue is due process.
     
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    What's wrong with giving them a fair trial? If they're guilty, it will be proven so in court, and they'll be punished accordingly. No different than any other criminal in the US.
     
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    Why should terrorists be allowed a "fair trial"? Due process is for American citizens.
     
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    I watched some iraqi calling america a "Terrorist Country" for invading their country because of lies .

    I am not sure at this moment who is really the terrorist ?
     
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    Are you a US citizen, wes?
     
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    Because you don't know if they are terrorists or not, that's what trials are for. And judging by the numbers of people who have been released from Gitmo with no charges, most of them aren't terrorists.

    So maybe your question should be, "why should possible terrorists be allowed a fair trial?" The answer to which is very obvious for anyone with any common sense.
     
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    #37 Jersey

    Really Wes, maybe Canada will take you.

    You must really hate this country ands servicemen and women to make such a stupid and inflammatory comment.

    Burn in hell!
     
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    You guys are so pathetic the way you all swarm in on Wes' posts and immediately try to personally attack him.

    We're talking about the rights of human beings, many of whom are completely innocent (turned in for bounty), not the "brave servicemen and women" so stop playing that trump card, it makes you look foolish. This is an internet forum, not an RNC rally, nobody's falling for it.
     
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    That is a tad inflammatory, both literally and figuratively. thought this country was founded on free speech.. he was reporting something he heard.
     
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    So...people have been found to not be terrorists and released?

    So the system is working without costing the taxpayers extra for trials and lawyers and so forth?
     
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    And we're exercising our free speech.
     
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    I'm not sure, that your sure, about anything. :D


    Obviously an enemy combatant is different than a uniformed soldier, or a us citizen. The whole issue is about how you treat each individual entity, via the rule of law. The average citizen can't pick up a gun and shoot other people like a soldier does, when ordered to in a war. Meanwhile an enemy combatant doesn't follow, and isn't bound to, the Geneva accords like a uniformed soldier is. Cleary you don't treat a citizen like a soldier, nor a solider like an EC. This entire process is a battlie to determine how each will, and should be treated. I think that there are valid concerns, and arguments on both sides. I'm not a supporter of indefinte incarcerations in Guantanamo mind you. I do think people need their day in court. I'm just uncertain about what court, and what rules.
     
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    No it's not working, people spend years there, try to commit suicide, not knowing if they are ever going to get out and then some of them get released and others do not. If that's a "system working" to you then I'd be very afraid if you were ever put in charge of something.

    And if this works so well for you, you know, depriving human beings, many of them innocent, of due process and taking their lives from them, then maybe we should apply the same Guantanamo system to everyday criminals in the United States?

    Oh that's right, that pesky constitution the right hates so much and the "activist" Supreme Court gets in the way. Don't worry though, they're working on it.
     
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    Lets give all enemy combatants caught fighting our troops access to full Due Process rights. SUPER-D-DUPER.

    Actually, this is ironically one things traditionally that most our past (and present) enemies (and even us) used to get done in the most efficient way possible. When they come across one of our armed combatant shooting at them in armed conflict, and they didn't feel like dealing with the hassles of collecting POW, or with this due process thing. A simple piece of lead to the back of the head solved the issue quickly. :rolleyes:

    To all armed combatants out there, IF YOU HAVE TO BE CAUGHT FIRING ON ENIMY troops, you better pray you hit the POW lottery and get caught by the USA.

    They'll treat you better then your own side will in most cases.
     
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    Why are you putting words in my mouth?

    For US citizens there's the Constitution and due process. For the military, there's Geneva. But terrorists (real or suspected), you think they should be subject to civilian courts, under the same guidelines that protect US citizens?

    Are you a terrorist sympathizer, Wildo?
     
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    #15 Jersey

    John Adams defended the British soldiers in a court of law in regards to the Boston Massacre. I'm ok with that precedent.
     
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    Were all those detained enemy combatants fighting our troops?? We really do not know much of the details. whether they are prisoners of war or not.. due process would go along way in helping the US restore its international image, there will be those who will jump all over this. But I thought our intent in Iraq was to liberate that gov't from an oppressive leader and institute a democratic gov't.. all the while we are playing by different rules in Guatanamo.. show the world how great our justice system is, try them and find them guilty.. then everyone can move on. Don't talk about cost, it is already very expensive to house them on an island.. see alcatraz.. we are not acting very american in guantanamo...
     

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