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    Pats-Blue you challenged me that major American cities do not generate revenues from the police departments due to overheard..

    I accept your challenge, I will list every major city that generates revenues from city police departments isueing traffic tickets for traffic violations to a loud transistor radio, jay walking or loitering on a sidewalk....This will be enilghtening. obviously you being a policeman do not understand what the ticket revenues mean...Now you and everyone else will.....

    Nashville Tennesse.
    http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=11540

    More cities will be listed....I need to walk my dog...

    This thread will have hundreds of cities linked by BLUE COLLAR, just for you pats-blue....Lets debate:cool:
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    Nem do major american cities generate revenues from the police dept issueing tickets?

    Pats-Blue say's thats not true and he is a policeman in a BIG CITY
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    #87 Jersey

    Pawtucket Rhode Island...they issue $75 tickets for everything imaginable...even borderline infractions will get you a ticket.

    The absolute worst thing to ever happen is the way traffic tickets are handled...going from state to community...and they use it to raise revenues.

    I've seen old ladies pulled over...moms with kids in the car that is falling apart...oh yeah kids, can't treat you to pizza or chinese food this month because the city needs $75 of my $8/hour wages.

    I used to stick up for cops...but no more...the State Police are great...city and town cops s#ck...all of them for being legal criminals.
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    Re: Major American Cities that generate Revenues From the police departments ticket F

    The townies suck ass around my part of Maine as well. A HUGE number of pretty busy streets have a 25 MPH limit and the cops will ticket you for going 32, $10 for every MPH you were over the limit. So there's $70 bucks out of your wallet because you decided you wanted to go below-average speeds on a major street as opposed to pathetically-below-average.
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    Don't speed.
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    INFORMATIVE INSIGHT.

    WHAT ABOUT RADIOS?

    JAYWALKING?

    PARKING?

    STANDING?

    AND THE ENDLESS LIST OF INFRACTIONS THAT WILL RESULT IN A TICKET?
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    Issuing tickets this way is an unconstitutional way of confiscating personal property without due process. There's ways to beat out these tickets - every single one of them - but it takes time most of us don't have and the government knows it. And if you don't pay the fine, you can be stopped for any reason, and you are arrested for default, you lose your freedom, and the fine and overall cost to you is ramped up.

    http://www.blurofinsanity.com/Speeding.html

    http://www.motorists.com/oh/unconstitutional_at_any_speed.htm

    It's not only America. Speeding tickets are issued in nearly every country in the world, but other countries don't use our Constitution.
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    #75 Jersey

    Once again your ignorance is amazing!

    Traffic and parking tickets in most major cities are not issued by the Police!

    Brownies in NYC issued all the parking tickets, hell even in a small city such as Savannah meter miads do all the ticketing.

    Wow news flash the state patrols (whose main jurisdiction is mostly the interstates) issue alot of speeding tickets!

    Police Departments generate much more revenue from assest forfieture than any pidilance they get from a $100 speeding ticket. What they are really looking for is drugs, guns, and bulk cash smuggling. That is where the real money is. My Department funds itself and alwyas has through assest forfeitures, civil fines, and criminal fines. Almost every state trooper car you see was purchased with seized drug money. The Police have access to forfeited funds, meaning that they can use that money for investigative related expenses such as travel, wires, etc. The Police have no access to and get benefit whatsoever from the funds collected by parking, speeding tickets, they go into the politicial's general "slush" fund.

    Believe me, they don't want you out there issuing traffic tickets, they want you finding the BIG stuff.

    If you have gotten several tickets at once, I also have the answer for that, you were an ******* to the Cop that pulled you over. Try not being an ******* and it might work out better for you.
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    Ahh, asset forfeiture, the other big scam. I have no issues with criminal forfeiture (when something that's illegal to have is taken away, like guns or drugs), I also have no problem with civil forfeiture (when legal items are taken away because they're believed to be the fruit of illegal acts), but only upon a conviction for the act in question. As it stands, someone could be accused of drug trafficing, have their car taken away, be acquitted, and still not be entitled to get their car back. Don't say it doesn't happen because I can find a dozen cases where cops have been too zelous with forfeiture... why do you think they do it? Because FreeTedWilliams' buddies get to keep what the take.
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    Look who brought up firemen and teachers as HACKS.


    As for me and the police officer, as I explained before, I will have to explain to YOU AGAIN..

    Cop pulled me over...I asked politely why did you pull me over.....I was going to a job with 1500 pounds of rug and pad in my van and was driving the speed limit and all my lights and blinkers worked...

    Cop told me to shut the fu-- up unless I wanted to go to jail, just because I asked politely why did you pull me over.....He ordered out of the car punched me in the face and rammed his flash light in my stomach and took me to jail....

    I bailed out the next morning spent 2500 on a lawyer, payed 250 for the impound fee on my van, went to work finished my job..

    Two monts later all charges were dropped in a court of law, he is lucky I didn't sue, I have never sued anyone nor will I ever...

    I do get even though.
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    when were you a cop NEM? Where and for how long? Why did you leave/quit/fired? Were you a reserve or a real police officer? Curious since you have such extensive employment history...where did you get "tour". I have never heard that word used by a cop referring to his "shift". Give us your background NEM
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    #75 Jersey

    If you put drugs in your car, it automatically becomes "facilitation" and subject to forfeiture, however all real property forfeitures require criminal convictions.
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    That's the scam... if I drive with a joint in the ash tray, taking the car is beyond excessive (just like a $15,000 fine for a single joint is excessive). If I bought the car with profits made from drug dealing, fine, but in this case it's just going after something because you can. If I have a joint in my pocket, can they take my pants? If I have a joint in my house, can they take the whole house? Is there any sense of proportion in the criminal justice system? I know not many people have lost their cars for a joint, but there was a case of a woman who lost her car because her husband had two pounds of marijuana. Still doesn't seem very proportional.
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    #75 Jersey

    You need to see the new rules passed in the 90s concerning assest forfeiture it's called CAFRA (Criminal Assest Forfeiture Reform Act, Passed by the GOP), they have a proportional clause, so no, you can't lose your car for a joint, you will however almost always lose your car for 2 lbs of pot, because I think that we can all agree that nobody is smoking 2 lbs, they are dealing it, and if you use your car to transport the drugs you are dealing, then the car is helping you facilitate the crime and is as such forfeitable. Again all real property forfeitures require a proportional criminal conviction, but again if you are dealing drugs, or say if you are a bookie and you use your house as the base of your operation, then yes, it is forfeitable but again, only after a criminal conviction.

    Items that are subject to civil forfeiture without a criminal conviciton as prohibited items like, Cuban cigars, computers that have child porn on them, etc.
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    Pujo, you go off on the point of losing your car for a joint is excessive and then admit you have never heard of such a case. Because there isn't one.

    Now if you are driving around with 2 POUNDS of weed in your car...hhhmm what are you? Hint, a drug dealer. If you know how the forfiture laws work, if this lady can prove she didn't know the weed was in the car...ever been near a car with 2 pounds of weed in in smells like? It is pretty noticable. But maybe, maybe she didn't fine. How did they buy the car? Did they have jobs? How did they pay thier bills. THe forfiture laws are such that if you get caught with drugs you lose what ever property is handy for the police to take. You lose property when caught with drugs or illegal enterprise IF the property can be tied to those drugs or illegal enterprise. The seizing agency has to make a case that the "owner" purchased THAT property with the illegal proceeds of the drugs or enterprise. If the person that has the property seized has a $50,000 a year job and is driving a $20,000 car fine they can prove they actual own it through legitimate means.(and most likely they get thier property back) If they are driving around in a $200,000 Ferrari however different story. Or they drive around in a $40,000 truck they paid cash for last week but don't have a job at all.

    I really don't have a lot of sympathy for someone losing thier car for 2 pounds of weed (and I'm sure there is more to the story than you read in the papers). If you find that story of someone losing thier car or house for a joint THEN that is the person I will have sympathy for and agree it is an injustice.

    Simple I own my car outright. No cop will ever seize my car since there are no drugs in it...not even a joint...which I have never seen a car seized for personally.
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    The issue is burden of proof. When the police take your car, they do it without a court order or conviction. If you want it back, YOU have to mount a lawsuit. So they can take it for ONE joint, or ONE bad of weed. You'll be able to convince a judge to give it back, but you'll need to spend a lot of money and energy to do it.
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    #75 Jersey

    This is simpley is not true, it is not how it works, in order to seize a vehicle several things must first be taken into effect, first off, there is no need for lawsuits, CARFA calls for an automatic adminstrative review of the seziure.
    Secondly most of the times, I take a quick look at the car, and most of the time, it is simple not worth the time and effort to seize the vehicle, the government has to pay to tow it, and store it, so unless the car has some sort of secret compartment to it, most vehicles are not seized mainly because it is not worth it. If you are driving a Hummer or a Denali, then yes, they will try to seize it, but you could have ten pounds of pot in your Dodge Aries K station wagon, and it still won't be seized.
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    An "administrative review" is worth jack, unless it's a judge, hearing evidence in open court, with due process. As far as the value of the car, you're not helping your argument with that comment.

    FYI... since this is turning into a forfeiture debate, I'll do some research and respond properly when I have the time.
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