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    Same-sex marriage, that is.

    Maine legalizes same-sex marriage - CNN.com

    The question is no longer "is it right?" so much as "how long do you think it takes until all 50 states allow it?". So how long do you think it will take?
     
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    First Massachusetts. Then Rhode Island.* Then Vermont. Then Connecticutt. Then Maine.

    Next up is New Hampshire. New England is going to be the lightning rod for the whole country yet again.

    *Recognized, but not performed.
     
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    Not long enough, evidently.
     
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    I give it about a decade in the federal courts and at least two or three Supreme Court rulings before all 50 are done. Court rulings have to target these possible situations:

    full faith and credit clause: recognizing marriages done legally in other states, not choosing which ones they will recognize and which ones they won't. All or none.

    equal benefits rights: barring them from equal rights as heterosexual couples, especially when it comes to federal recognition. Big target being the "defense of marriage" act.


    Federal courts are reluctant to step on state courts' jurisdictions so it will take a long time before it reaches the nine justices but given they may have strong precedent and strict interpretation of the Constitution they may win rights across the country in a decade
     
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    To repeat why I am against it :

    You can live with, kiss and f* anyone you want to. I don't give a sh!t. But a good number of laws aren't for an inherent right or wrong and simply establish the way we want our society; and polls show that a majority (not overwhelming but about 55-43 depending on the poll) of Americans do not want gay marriage. Before someone says "what if the majority wanted slavery back", that's a bad comparison because that actually affects the freedom of people as opposed to a piece of paper. There is no good reason to legitimize this lifestyle that most Americans do not approve of. If we were talking about making it illegal to be gay, that's different.
     
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    Some will say that the door will be open to pedophilia.. not surprised at Maine though, when I lived there was amazed at how progressive it is.. can tell a bunch of stories of how in the back woods a whole lot of stuff is tolerated.
     
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    If marriage is open to anyone, let's make it so.

    I should be able to have multiple wives. Or even a wife AND a husband.
    I should be able to marry my sister. Or brother.

    Etc.
     
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    Once Texas breaks away, about 100 years because of Utah.
     
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    I agree with all of that, but I have a better idea. The government ussues civil unions to all and any arrangements you mention, and the churches can do the marriage/religion thing however they want to. I did the JP wedding and my aunt still doesn't recognize us as being married. She also thinks her neighbor wants to kill her, but then again, she's nuts.
     
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    Basically works for me - I want marriage to stand differently than "other" marriage; that's what the people want and it's good for kids to know what is expected even if they end up going in the other direction.

    I have intrigued myself with this idea of having both a wife and a husband though - that could make things interesting.
     
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    Not my threesome fantasy.. yuk!!!
     
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    Wife and her hot sister then? :D
     
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    Probably prefer hot friend.. never cared for that incest stuff.
     
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    Not mine either - I didn't put a smiley or wink but I was kidding :)
     
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    No, it's a valid comparison. It's you who is not making sense.

    Consider these two questions:

    1. Does banning gay marriage not affect the freedom of those gay's who would like to marry?

    2. Does allowing gay marriage affect the freedom of heterosexuals?

    Bonus: If 51% of Americans disliked country music, then should we make that illegal?
     
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    The best comparison is interracial marriage. There are just some things that the majority doesn't get to do and this is one of them. Watching them fail in their bigotry will be entertaining.
     
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    I could agree with that, but you will never get the radical gays to, they won't stop until the day the government forces the Catholic church to marry them.
     
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    This is not true at all. The problem is that the government uses the word "marriage" for heterosexual couples, not the church. If everything (gay or straight) was called civil unions, that wouldn't be a problem at all, the problem is that the government is discriminating when it uses different terms for different people. What the churches do is completely irrelevant.
     
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    No it does not.

    No it does not.
     
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    Why is that the best comparison ? Because you say so ?
     

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