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  1. tanked_as_usual

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    of interim senate

    the same group voted against the same exact notion when romney was gov.

    forget the D vs. R thing for a moment

    do you want government to work this way?

    and will they repeal it when an R get elected?
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    The alternatives are Kennedy stepping down before his last election victory or him just not dying. If he steps down he's replaced by a Democrat. If he just keeps on living he continues to be a Democrat. The special election this January will seat a Democrat. B!tch all you want about losing the free 'non-vote' you thought fell in your lap when he died, but the reality is that the Constitution says that the state of Massachusetts is entitled to two voices in the Senate, the people of Massachusetts want Democrats providing those voices and this will give them that.
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    that's not what I asked.........

    is it right for an elected body to vote on a topic based on who is gov?

    if it this 'amendment' was voted down before, why is it right now?

    talk about fixing things

    and don't be suprised if an R get elected in January
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    Have you guys been paying attention??

    How many times has this body ignored the will of the people of Massachusetts?? How many ballot passed iniatives have they reversed? They hhave the majority, and they know they are going to keep the majority, so the just do whatever they want, and the blame for all of this lies directly with the stupid people of Massachusetts who continue to elect these clowns.
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    I'd put the average Mass person up against someone from Georgia in an intelligence test any day of the week Teddy. I have an iniative [sic] Let's hhave[sic] it be based on spelling!
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    It's BS, but hey, we got a museum somewhere, Revere Beach, and we're waaaaaaay up there on that Health Index. :rolleyes:
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    I agree with you, and now because of how freaking dumb these m*******s are, they move to other states like New Hampshire and Maine and because of these idiots these states, who were once bastions of tax freedom and individuality, now more closely resemble Massachusetts. SUCKS!
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    It speaks to the arrogance of the Democratic Party.. another vote for the Health Care Bill..
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    Well all of my schooling came from Mass so if you don't like my spelling it is Mass' fault.

    Typical mass attitude, the most racist place in this country, always claiming to be smarter and better than everyone else! So you re-elected people who routinely ignore the will of the people (notice how you didn't try to argue that piont, only spelling, and of course adding in your unfounded bias towards the South) and your smarter than everyone else...

    ps Georiga has about twice the electoral votes as Mass (and we will get at least a one, and hoepfully, 2 more from you after the next census!!!!)
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    Now you know where the term "Masswholes" originates. ;)



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    I'm not sure about it being the most racist, but the other points, especially the one about the Mass attitude, are dead on. It's illustrated in the attitude of the politicians discussed in this thread. The pols view Sdaniels and Co., just like Sdaniels views people from other states. He thinks he's smahtah than everyone else, while the pols think they're smahtah than him. Of course, so long as it's a democrat, sdanny boy doesn't care.
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    this isn't even about the will of the people

    I am just glad that my guy (Brian Joyce - Milton) voted consistently and said 'I voted no then, and voted no now'

    all those who changed their vote because of who is the governor now should be ashamed of themselves.....case closed
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    Hey geniuses, the entire point of vacancy appointments is to preserve the seat in the best interests of the voters without wasting time with a special election. To say "forget the D and R thing" when talking about this is like saying "forget healthcare for a minute while we talk about health reform."

    Romney's appointment would not have been in line with the voters of the state, so the legislature prevented him from appointing. Deval Patrick's appointment would be more in line with the voters of the state since both he and almost the entire legislature is Democratic! If you want to have a special election every time then make that argument and do away with vacancy appointments all together, but as long as we vest the power in the legislature to make vacancy appointments then they most certainly have an OBLIGATION to make sure that the appointment is most in line with what the voters want. A Republican governor appoitning a Republican to fill a vacant Democrat's seat does not satisfy that obligation.

    Turn on your brains and turn off your radios.
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    again, it is not for the legislature to make votes like this conditional

    and I can say that its not a D or R thing because it would be wrong regardless of who is perpetrating this

    to me this is more about the corruption of our state government. it was the will of the people to lower the state income tax in a 'binding referendum' a few years back and the state legislature refused to implement it, so don't give me this crap the will of the people. our state government doesn't give a crap about the will of the people

    I believe this sort of thing will turn around and bite anyone who changed their vote
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    Says who? They have the power to do it for a reason. If they are going to make vacancy appointments at all they should make them in a manner that closest conforms to the wishes of the voters. Since Mass is Democratic, has a Dem governor and a Dem legislator, then of course it's going to be conditional and well it should. That's the entire reason why they have the power to do this.

    BS. Either we allow vacancy appoitnments in total or not at all, but if we allow them then they should be made EXACTLY as the legislature has made them and that is in accordance with how the voters would likely vote accordsing to the makeup of who they have previously elected. The only reason why this is an issue is because Republicans wanted to sneak in a Republican into a Dem seat against the will of the people and the Dem legislature they elected.

    Sorry, but you are simply wrong. The legislature has this power vested in them because their makeup most accurately represents the voters of Massachusetts. Unfortunately for you, that makjeup happens to be Democratic. For a Democratic governor of Texas to appointment a Dem senator to fill a deceased or otherwise vacant Republican seat is about as undemocratic as you can get and I'd fully support the Texas legislature from excersising their power to change the procedure to more accurately reflect the will of the people in the abscence of a special election. That's why it has everything to do with D and R.

    Again, turn off your radios, these peopel are riling you up and have no clue what they are talking about. As I said in the earlier thread, where my arguments were conveniently ignored by some posting now in this thread, either we allow vacancy appointments or we do away with them totally. But as long as we allow them, it is in the best interest of the voters to allow the legislature to act according to their makeup since that closest resembles the will of the people. The talk radio garbage about "hypocrisy" and changes in laws is praying on ignorance and a misunderstanding of the purpose of vacancy appiointments and is an alltogether untenable position.

    When the Dems "changed the law" they weren't writing a comprehensive perscription for how to fill seats, they were accomodating the majority of voters in Massachusetts who do not want a Republican Senator (as evidenced by the Dem majority in the Legislature) and that is exactly what they are doing now when they changed it again.
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    Hey Genius, who elected Romney?????? THE ENTIRE STATE, who elects the legislature? gerrymandered hand pick democrat drawn maps.

    You honestly are not saying that when the state had a Republican Governor (for what 10+ years in a row) he did not represent the views of the people, and now that they have a Democrat Governor with an approval right slightly north of what 20% without a chance in hell of getting re-elected, that it is the will of the people to have him appoint the Senator...
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    It's kinda sad how brain damaged some people in this state are. I guess when the legislature walks in lock step with all that you believe politically, and socially, it's real swell when they decide to change the rules as they move along. Hey, this state gets what it deserves. There's a reason why the most important demographic in the state is moving out, and only illegals are moving in.
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    Ahh, so personal responsibility only applies to welfare recipients.

    Dude, there's like 3 Mosques within 4 miles of my house. Busing was 40 years ago and the anger was all centered in one section of Boston called Southie that's long since moved on to a better and brighter future. Besides its not like it took a war or something to fix the problem.


    You're the one who's opening post in the thread called me and everyone else from Massachusetts stupid there Tedo. Its right here in post #4 in case you forgot. I just thought it was cute of you to mock other peoples' intelligence in a post where you made multiple, simple spelling mistakes.


    Since 1920 there's been 58 ballot initiatives that have passed in Massachusetts. So far I've come across one that's been 'overturned' by the legislature, that being the seat belt law. Woopty doo. Now when you get pulled over for something else (the cops aren't allowed to stop you just for no seat belt) they can fine you an extra $25. This compared to $100 for an old inspection sticker or an average of $300 for speeding. They can't even gig you insurance wise for no seatbelt, its the most minor offense out there, even less punitive than littering or spitting on the sidewalk. Sure if you want to be uncompromising you can say the legislature ignored the will of the people, but the law does mean more federal highway funds and some sort of improved insurance bond rating. Its a clear example of people in the know doing what was best rather than what was popular IMO.

    Which you'll undoubtedly use to try and put the next George Bush into office. I don't see why you'd be proud of that.
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    Of course this thread can't be about the will of the people. The will of the people is for there to be a Democrat in the currently vacant seat and you want to figure out some convoluted, non democratic way to get a Republican in there.
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    So let me get this straight, Teddy pops in for the first time in weeks and the first thing he does is call me (and you too BTW) stupid, yet I'm the guy who thinks he smarter than everyone else?

    Yeah, whatever you say:rolleyes:


    have another Coke there Mr Coke'n Pepsi.
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    They have their whole special Democrat thing going on down there in the commonwealth, they pretty much do what they want. They are currently six votes shy of the number needed to actually pass this measure. Hopefully, republicans and Democrats alike will tune in to Howie Carr and get worked up into a fervor enough to call their Rep. Until they have the votes they don't have the votes, but it's always business as usual in Mass.
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    Hey Mr. "I'm smahtah", he didn't call me stupid. He called the clowns who constantly vote in these losers stupid. Being "smahtah", you should have understood that. ;)


    The seat belt law is complete, and utter BS. Maybe you need the Nanny state to tuck you in at night, but I don't.
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    Do me and yourself a favor and don't put things I've never said in quotation marks. Its dishonest. Better yet, why don't you save your mindless, thoughtless, unsupported comments about how this state sucks for a blog if you're going to insist on ignoring 95% of what I say.
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    In listening to you New Hampshire people b!tch about Massachusetts all the time one's led to believe that a huge percentage of you don't commute here every singe day for work. Its almost as though your state is capable of providing jobs for everyone who lives there, when we both know that's far from the truth. I've said it before and I'll say it again, put an impenetrable wall between Massachusetts and New Hampshire and 3 months later there's full employment in MA while they're eating grass to stay alive in NH.

    Oh and btw the measure was voted for yesterday in the Senate and last week in the House, try and keep up.
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    Right, the legislature made up of multiple districts across the state that is almost always Democratic is less representative of the will of the people than the single Republican Governor's seat. That's ok, just throw in gerrymandering accusations and no one will notice the laughable nature of your assertion that this state would be Republican if it weren't for redistricting. :rolleyes:

    When was the last time Mass sent a Republican to the U.S. Senate anyway?

    The legislature had the power and the votes needed to do what they did. They had that because they were voted in. In the absence of a special election the makeup of the legislature (with a certain threshold of votes needed) is the best litmus test for who should get the seat. That's exactly why the system is set up so that the LEGISLATURE can change the procedure. We are talking about seats that were won by Democrats, afterall.

    The only reason why the right is making an issue out of this is because they want to delay the Dem majority in the U.S. Senate that would have been maintained had EMK been alive. Not a single person with more than 2 brain cells thinks that a Republican is going to win that seat. All the BS about "screwing the voters" and "hypocrisy" is simply mindless propaganda seeking to delay Democratic super-majority for ideological reasons.
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    pure garbage.

    first, I don't listen or watch anything political on the radio or TV (unless Glenn Ordway gets into it with Pete Sheppard and/or Freddy Smerlas), so the premise of most of your post is way off.

    again, they did change the law to suit their own needs.

    clamor for the good value of this process all you want, but the way it all went down is wrong....typical liberal make-it-up-as-you-go-along politics
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    you didn't make any effort to read or digest anything I said.

    I'm not a Democrat, and I don't necessarily agree with vacancy appointments. But when you write "they changed the law to suit their own needs" it reflects a totally redundant and silly ignorance to the whole point, which is to appoint someone that best suits what the voters want in the absence of a special election.

    Like I said, the "law" isn't always a comprehensive perscription for how to go about doing this and as the legislature has the power to hold sway over this process it is clearly reflected in the law that the makeup of the legislature is the accurate litmus test.

    I'll say it again for the last time, the Legislature has the OBLIGATION to ensure that they do everything in their power to stop an appointment that goes against the wishes of the voters that elected EMK to the seat in the first place. It's a neat rhetorical device to pray on people's ignorance by harping on the fact that they "changed the law back and forth" but there's nothing inherently wrong with doing that in this case and on the contrary they are doing EXACTLY what they should be doing short of holding a special election.

    The voters in Massachusetts voted in a Democrat and a Democratic legislature. They in essence voted to be a part of the Democratic super-majority in the Senate. That is why we have vested the power in the legislature to forgo a time consuming special election for the sake of expediency.

    I'm not sure I can make this any clearer for you.
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    Yeah, I was quoting you. :rolleyes: Get a clue pal. Plus, I never ignore your posts. Why would I pass over such good comedy? :p
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    Get your facts right, you have 15 electoral votes and Massachusetts has 12. Nowhere near "twice" but continue speaking out your ass to try to justify your bashing :rolleyes:


    They ignored the legally required income tax roll back. They refuse to let the death penalty and gay marriage and casino gambling come up for a full vote. They refuse to let anything that might actually come back to bite them in the ass worse come up for a vote but they gladly ignore their own previous votes to join the masses with a BS excuse to ignore their own claims from five years ago...it's the Massachusetts General Court for you. Public need not bother, the public doesn't exist until September of every even year :rolleyes:
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    Actually, they voted on it again today....It passed but it didn't satisfy the 2/3vote required for the emergency provision they had installed to rush the bill through. So they had to circumvent the actual law by instituting a rarely used Gubernatorial mandate, nice They could fight it legally if they had a smattering of time. That's the up to date story, try to keep up.

    BTW, what's up with the jobs rant......Those people had to leave the state because it was a joke, fortunately they kept their jobs. Your state provides the jobs and ours provides the tax free booze, everyone does their part....

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