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    I'm not surprised by an increase, but I am surprised by the size of it.

    Gun permits surge in state

    Worries on crime, stricter laws cited

    By Peter Schworm and Matt Carroll
    Globe Staff / December 20, 2009


    The number of gun permits issued in Massachusetts surged by more than 15 percent over the past two years, reversing nearly a decade of steady declines and marking a pronounced departure for a state known for its antigun sentiment.


    The magnitude of the rise, evident in nearly every corner of the state, surprised law enforcement officials, and gun advocates and opponents alike.


    Gun permits surge in state - The Boston Globe
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    #24 Jersey

    Maybe MA has more to worry about than the rest of the country?

    National crime statistics provided to the FBI by law enforcement agencies across the nation show a 4.4 percent decline in the number of violent crimes -- murder, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault -- during the first six months of this year compared with the same period a year ago. Even more surprising, property crimes such as burglary, theft and motor vehicle theft dropped by 6.1 percent this year compared with last.

    And despite the horrific series of attacks on police in the Seattle area this year -- including the fatal shootings of four officers in Lakewood -- 2009 will go down as one of the safest years ever for American police officers. According to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, 124 police officers have been killed so far this year, the fewest line-of-duty deaths since 108 officers were killed in 1959.


    Tough times, but less crime | The Stump - OregonLive.com
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    #24 Jersey

    Interesting - apparently crime IS up in Ma. - altho it seems to be on the downturn in every other state.

    BOSTON — High unemployment. More people on food stamps. Fewer homeowners. Yet for all the signs of recession, one thing is missing: More crime.

    Nationally, at least.

    Figures released Monday by the FBI show national declines in murder, car thefts and other crimes. The trend was not as pronounced in Massachusetts, where certain crimes in select cities were on the rise.

    Overall, property crimes fell by 6.1 percent, and violent crimes by 4.4 percent, according to the data. Crime rates haven’t been this low since the 1960s, and are nowhere near the peak reached in the early 1990s.

    Violent crime in the six-month period rose in every Massachusetts city with a population of more than 100,000, except for Boston. (The others are Cambridge, Lowell, Springfield and Worcester.)


    I guess we know who's buying the guns in Ma. now. It's the violent criminals.
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    Did you not read the article I posted? It's about people who are LEGALLY obtaining their license to carry a firearm.
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    To Libs there is no such thing. Guns scare them. It does not matter legal or otherwise.
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    Guns scare me too, but guess what? If they scare you, then don't get one. Already we have massive regulation attached to the legal right we each hold to owning a weapon. I'm pro-gun control too. I like that we have a process people need to follow. However, that process should not be overly restrictive. The problem are those who have a weapon illegally.
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    #24 Jersey

    Did you not think about where the guns come from?

    At least 14% of crimes committed which involved a gun involved guns which were legally bought. 80% of gun carrying criminals reported they got their guns from friends, family, street buys, theft, and other illegal means. How many of those guns taken from friends and family do you think were registered weapons? At least some of them, I'm sure. Same for those bought on the street. Most of the stolen weapons were probably legal guns as well.

    Interestingly enough - for all those people who buy a gun "to protect themselves" there were only 225 cases of justifiable homicide (when a citizen kills a felon during the commission of a criminal offense} in the entire United States in 2002. And only 184 of them involved a citizen with a gun.

    Types of Crime - Guns And Crime
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    #12 Jersey


    You win the "Stupid Post of the Day" award.
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    ..........:singing:

    They've always bought guns, they buy them in the school yard, when they use them and get caught a liberal SCREWBALL Mass judge turns them loose, then they run right down to the school yard and buy another one.

    LAW ABIDING CITIZENS ARE BUYING AND REGISTERING THEIR GUNS BECUASE THEY ARE AFRAID OF OBAMA, HIS CZARS AND THOSE LUNATIC LAP DOGS THAT TROT ALONG BEHIND THAT BIG TOOTHED MONSTER PELOSI, THE LEGAL GUN SURGE, THE GROWING MILITIA'S AND THE GROWING TEA PARTYS ARE ALL THE RESULTS OF THE POP CULTURE, BUSH HATERS, POLITICALLY CORRECT SAPS ELECTING THEIR SWEET TALKING SOCIALIST POSTER BOY.

    LAW ABIDING CITIZENS ARE AFRAID, WE HAVE A WIMP FOR A PRESIDENT.

    THE PEOPLE WILL TAKE THEIR COUNTRY BACK YOU CAN BET ON IT.
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    I purchased 2 BB-guns this year! Does that count?:D

    One is a high-powered rifle that shoots pellets at 1200ft per second. If I shot someone in the head, it would prolly kill them. But I bought them cause I like to shoot at targets and every now & then, a pesky squirrel! ;)
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    You clearly did not read the article if you are spewing those statistics :rolleyes:


    Why let what is actually being discussed in the article get in the way of your anti-gun crusade.
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    If this is parody posting then you are a genius if not this is ad-hominem bs. Just because some people are buying guns for this purpose does not mean that the majority of recent gun purchasers are looking to revolt. Show me a legitimate poll wherein a group of Americans large enough to challenge the military states that they want to foment revolution and radical regime change in the US and I will believe you.

    Ps. If not parody-posting why the caps they add nothing to your point.
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    Great, punish the mass because of a few rotten apples. You can't take away freedoms just because some abuse them. Just because some as*hole steals a gun and commits a crime shouldn't interfere with my right to buy/own a firearm.

    This logic is anti-freedom yet is commonplace in this country. The prohibition, illegality of drugs, illegality of prostitution, the FCC, seatbelt laws, life jacket laws, public decency laws (man can go shirtless but woman can't, etc), handicapped laws, business regulations, etc etc. This country has become "Freedom of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness BUT, UNLESS, and EXCEPT FOR...".
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    Well the stipulation to our freedoms has always been that your are free up until the point that you hurt other people. In any case is a well-regulated militia really nowadays necessary to the freedom and security of our state? If not what is your justification for having guns available? It is anti-freedom in the sense that we do not live in an anarchy, but rather that there are limits to personal choice. Do you decry murder laws as well?
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    What has a well regulated militia have to do with my right to own a firearm?

    Being able to defend oneself is a God given right. Having a gun to do so is protected by the Constitution. The Supreme Court ruled last year that the 2nd amendment does protect individual's right to own firearms.

    McDonald v. Chicago will be heard next year to see if the 2nd amendment is to be incorporated via the 14th amendment.

    Criminals need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. We don't need more laws, we need better enforcement. Laws mean nothing if judges just release criminals without proper sentence. Making more laws aimed at legal gun owners is nothing more then feel good legislation. It's not the legal owners you need to worry about. It's the criminals, who do not pay attention to the laws anyway.
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    #12 Jersey

    Please go read District of Colombia v. Heller ...... then go read the federalist papers before you try determining what the 2nd Amendment means.
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    Good example of an activist Supreme Court interpreting the 2nd Amendment in a new way. I suppose the founders threw in the word "militia" for the heck of it, since obviously according to the current right-wing activist Supreme Court it has no real bearing on the meaning of the second amendment.

    Also, since you apparently have read the Federalist Papers, why not indicate which specific ones you want read? Also do you believe in the Federalist Papers, are against the Bill of Rights? Was that your point? My own suspicion is you're throwing out a right wing talking point without knowing what you're talking about. That's a dangerous thing to do.
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    #12 Jersey

    The orginal understanding of the word "militia" from the Federalist Papers was "all of the people"...it was never understood as the military arm of government

    also did you read the dissent in the Heller decision .... it was one of the worst dissent's ever written and had no factual evidence to back up statements made so try again.
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    I certainly read about the Heller decision, and am aware that some conservatives criticized the dissent on various grounds, but that's to be expected. As far as the federalist papers go, which one are you referring to? Besides, Hamilton was against the Bill of Rights, so it seems odd to use those papers to defend gun rights. Also, the issue debated in the Federalist Papers was whether or not we need a standing army or would such an army turn against the people. If you don't trust the military, then the 2nd Amendment has greater meaning.

    I might add, I have no problem with gun rights, but I also have no problems with problem areas restricting those rights in an attempt to save lives and give police an upper hand. We're living in vastly different times than our founders did.
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    You are all aware that most of the gun hysteria is being fueled by the gun industry.. they want you to buy more, not because of any real threat.. but is their way of ramping up business... that is all.

    Have yet to see anything that suggests that there are any moves in DC to control guns... all of this is fabricated hysteria and hyperbole...

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