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    On the NFL Network tonight, Bears coach Lovie Smith said as soon as his game is over he's going to tune in the AFCCG and pull for Tony Dungy "So we can go to the Super Bowl and make history together."

    First of all, what parents in their right minds would name their kid "Lovie"? Secondly, this is the first time ever I've heard a coach state two days before his own conference championship game who he'd like to play in the Super Bowl. Yeah, the reason is obvious, but who wants a couple of sentimental "pals" going against each other in the biggest game of the year?

    I'll tell you what: I'm sick of all the sentiment against the Patriots, that "this is Peyton's time," blah, blah, bullsh!t. Dungy even said in his press conference today that he's been getting calls of encouragement from all over the country. These things just give me all the more reason to hope and pray that we ABSOLUTELY CRUSH the Colts and Manning showing NO MERCY! If Vinny Testaverde can throw a garbage-time touchdown to Tully Banta-Caine to run up the score, I'M ALL FOR IT! If we can make Addai bleed, DO IT! If Brady can rifle a bullet into Freeney's gonads, I say YEAH! This is war, and I want to see Manning's head on a stake afterward.

    So it is written. So it shall be. :rocker:
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    After hearing that, I want a Patriot/NOLA superbowl.

    I can say that because I'm not going to play in it.
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    No , WHEN WE WIN, I want to play the Bears , so we can make a fraud of Lovie... The Saints are a nice story, but its over...
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    I could coach the personnel on that Bears defense to #1 in the league. A Colts-Bears super bowl would be a terrible game, because those are the two worst coaches in the playoffs (besides Herm, who is on his own level).
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    Bill in the locker room before the AFCC after learning that the Bears have won:

    "Well, we all know that Lovie Smith wants to play his friend Tony Dungy. Let's ruin his Super Bowl before he even gets there."
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    And I'm rooting for Lovie - I consider the Bears a virtual lock if we win. The Saints - a lot tougher.
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    I like it.
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    Gee, I wonder what would happen if BB called Sean Payton and said I am pulling for you, so us two "white guys" can meet in the Super Bowl. Amazing the double standard in this country today. I just hope we maul them bastards come Sunday, so the media can stop with this crap angle, the manning ball washing, and ring deserving. It is time for BB and the Pats to take on this "us against the world mentality" and drive it all the way home. Hopefully, this will give him more "bulletin board" material. Don't worry, believe me, I am sure the Saints will expose the Bears and their coach for the frauds that they are.



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    It worries me when a particular match up makes a really, really great storyline. Hey, having 2 African American coaches facing off against each other in America's most watch sporting event is a great storyline (at least I think so). The reason that storyline worries me however, is when a potential storyline like that exists, there must be some in the upper management of the NFL who are thinking 'oh we just have to have this!'. It's a business thing. It will be history making and grab a ton of buzz generating headlines. To the NFL that means viewers and that is of prime importance. Of course the Patriots getting back to the super bowl is a potential semi 'viewer grabber' too, just not in the positive light the Bears-Colts are. It's like the Yankee syndrome or the Lakers of some years ago. People who are otherwise disinterested in a -team A versus Team B big game-, become very interested in -team A versus universally hated team B big game-. Put it this way, what is the next best game to watch besides the teams you like? It's the team you love to hate/see lose. Sick as it is, Dallas games always interested me this year just to see Jerry Jones and T.O. lose. I don't know if the Patriots are there yet but if they aren't (which they might be), they will be with one more SB victory this year. So hopefully in the NFL, they see continuing Patriot success as the making of a viewer attracting anathema. I just would not feel good about the NFL business trust totally hoping the outcome is a certain way (especially when that certain way doesn't include the Patriots :D ).
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    Well, the NFL has already legislated against the Patriots via rule changes. What else can they do to stymie BB's success? The only obvious answer is to have the refs fix the game. But it's becoming obvious that fans like you and me are the ONLY ones who want New England to win.
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    I can't tell if you get it from your post, but I'm pretty sure that what Lovie was referencing is he wanted to make "history" with Dungy together as they would both be the first African-American coaches to coach in a Super Bowl.

    I don't think it has anything to do with them being friends.
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    I'm sure the individual leagues have their desired match-ups but asside from blatant officiating "miscues", there is little that the league can do to ensure a "game of their dreams." Trust me, in 2003 when MLB was litterly only outs away from a Sox-Cubs World Series, both MLB and Fox were licking their chops. If there was a way they could have made that happen, it would have.
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    Yes, I got it. But the fact is that they are friends, I believe they coached together at one point. So, they are friends and members of what appears to be a pretty tight black coaching fraternity in the NFL. (Smith was in the stands at the Colts-Chiefs first-round game.)
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    Ok, yeah thought you got it. But who cares? It's hardly disrespectful to NE to root for your friend and fellow black NFL HC. Seems like a non-issue to me.
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    You don't think it's disrespectful to BB and the Pats? I do. It's fine if Smith feels that way personally, but I don't think it's something that needs to be made public. Besides that, it could come back to bite him in the ass. Imagine BB saying something like, "I prefer to play Nick Saban in the conference championship, he's my pal and he's caucasian like me." And speaking solely as a fan, I'd rather not see two "buddies" play each other in the Super Bowl -- sort of takes some of the edge off a high-stakes competitive matchup. Just my opinion.
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    Come on, some of you are being a wee bit sensitive here. Lovie Smith got his break in the NFL from Tony Dungie, and there also hasn't been a black head coach make the Super Bowl - ever.

    If there's anything that you could possibly read between the lines here - it's that maybe he doesn't want to face Belichick in the big game? Can you blame him? Who would? Take is as respect, if you take it as anything at all.

    BTW I'm a Bears fan. Good luck in the game Sunday!
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    The Bears couldn't beat the Patriots back when their defense was good. Bears-Patriots is my DREAM scenario coming out of Sunday.
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    Well it was a 4 point game, and that was with bad Rex showing up that day. But still, I won't argue that the Pats would be heavy favs and rightfully so. Nobody wants to face Belichick when he has 2 weeks to gameplan against you.

    Anyway, it won't matter unless both teams getting there. Personally I like the Bears chances better. That's not a diss of the Pats. I just think the Bears opponent this weekend is very overrated, particularly by the ESPN.

    Again, good luck against the Colts. I am actually pulling for you guys. I think it's partially because the whole country outside of Boston and Chicago seems to be pulling hard for a Colts - Saints Super Bowl.
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    Well hopefully we'll be talking over the next two weeks. I just like the matchup better. A mostly power run offense with an inconsistent QB and mostly downfield WR. New Orleans worries me more with the more versatile pair of RB and creatable mismatches of Bush against our slower LB. Plus a more reliable QB.
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    Lemme get this straight:
    Lovie Smith has publicly said that he wants the Colts to win so he can be in the first Super Bowl with two BLACK head coaches. In other words, he doesn't want the Pats to win because BB is WHITE. And that's OK with everybody? I think he's a racist POS and he needs to STFU because it's not going to happen. Not that it matters to me either way, but the two best teams left right now are NO and NE.
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    another reason for a payback to Da Bearz...
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    Your perspective as a Bears fan is understandable. But no matter how you cut it, and no matter how subtle/"justified" it might seem, this is reverse racism on Smith's behalf. It seems to me that the whole point of the NFL pushing integration into the head coaching ranks was to make the league COLORBLIND, not segregate the black coaches into their own little self-promoting fraternity. It would be more appropriate of coaches like Dungy and Smith and Herm not to emphasize the racial aspect of their accomplishments and leave that for the rest of the world to acknowledge.
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    Lovie's pulling for the Colts? I hatey Lovey.

    And, God forbid, if its the Saints/Colts we'd have a story line of Payton vs Peyton.

    I'm hoping we play the Bears and Ditka is forced to wear that dorky sweater that he wore in SBXX.
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    You're hilarious. Pathetic and ignorant, but hilarious nonetheless.
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    Speaking of Herm, I had the distinct feelng that he had his Chiefs team lay down just so fellow brother Dungy could move on toward the Super Bowl. In addition, the real danger with this black-coaches-feel-good theme is that if black players on white-coached teams involved start believing in the "feel good" story and begin to play so that the "brother" coach on the other team advances.
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    It's not reverse racism. It's the natural progression that the NFL goes through as it recovers from years of racism, first at the player level and then at the coach level. Racism (or reverse racism) would be to do what the NFL did in the past -- blatantly or institutionally discriminate against blacks. To call this reverse racism would be like calling rooting for the Americans in the Olympics xenophobia. Dungy, Smith, and Edwards all probably recognize they are symbols of hope to the many blacks who are still suffering from the damage done by racism in years past. (And let's not forget that it's only a year ago that Limbaugh got fired from MNF for making racist comments, comments that were defended by many fans and even some pundits.)
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    The only "double standard" that's relevant is the past history and current conditions in this country that make this a meaningful sociological event.
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    I want a Pats-Bears Super Bowl for two reasons (not counting the obvious reasons why I want the Pats in there):

    1. Let the Bears knock out America's Cinderella Team. I don't want the Pats to be the dynasty that crushes America's fantasy for Katrina justice.

    2. Revenge, a dish best served cold, for SB XX.
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    I disagree. Reverse racism needn't be "institutionalized" to exist, it can be as subtle as an attitude or opinion, or pulling for someone just because he's the same race as yourself. The whole point of the NFL's push for black head coaches is to achieve equality, of creating an environment where race is no longer an issue. In that spirit, Dungy, Smith and Edwards should be downplaying the racial aspect of who and what they are and proceed as if they're simply NFL coaches doing their job in the quest for a championship. The accolades for racial achievement should come from outside those teams and outside the game itself, not these coaches patting themselves and each other on the back.

    Whether Limbaugh's comments were, indeed, "racist" is a matter of opinion and legitimately open to interpretation; I don't think his intention was motivated by bigotry. He made those comments on his radio show, not MNF for one thing, and was convicted by the PC police.
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    Tunescribe, you sort of proved my point with your defense of Limbaugh. It's not bigotry when he says it. LOL. It's interesting that it's you who started this discussion, too, a Limbaugh apologist who is quick to jump on Lovey Smith's back. And are you just assuming that because Dungy and Edwards are black, that they made similar comments? Please post your source.

    Also, I don't think Dungy, Smith, and Edwards are playing up this matter -- it's race obsessed people who are. Lovey simply acknowledged a fact that's easily apparent and expressed hope that it happened. It's no different than Irish pride, Jewish pride, Asian pride in the new Red Sox player, etc. And it is of historical significance. I suppose you would have been against Jackie Robinson getting attention for being the first black major league baseball player.

    I certainly want the Pats to win, but you can't deny there are other stories, such as two black coaches could be in the superbowl, the superbowl could be a matchup of Peyton v. Peyton, etc. All of these things are interesting, and there's no need for the conservative PC police to tell us it's wrong to notice them.

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