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  1. PATRIOTSFANINPA

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    I am glad the bye week is after this game,not only because of a needed rest for the injured, but now with Hurricane Sandy bearing down on the coast heading right over Massachussettes,I would assume the team may be stuck in the UK until almost next weekend.

    I would think practice schedule at Gillette would have been interesting had they had a home game the following week.

    BTW: For those in and around the coastal areas of the Atlantic Seaboard,I pray for your safety and your family and home.

    This appears to be a once in a lifetime Hurricane considering the path it is taking,the last time a hurricane took a similar path from the coast then inland and then headed northwest was Tropical Storm Agnes in 1972.

    May all those involved be safe and best wishes for the Patriots players who have families in the soon to be affected regions.
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    Should miss us here in NE....NJ..not so much
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    I'd offer that it's likely they might be delayed by a day, perhaps two, but no more than that.

    I'm counting on the storm guesser's data, which looks fairly good right now. Likely we'll see some strong winds for a 12-14 hours space and 3-5 inches of rain, but we shouldn't be getting much more than that.

    The bigger problem for New England, especially along the coast, will be when the storm hits with that extra rain. It's going to coincide, at different times, with both the high tide and a full moon which will result in flooding along the coastlines and rivers, and that's where the most damage up here will occur.

    Probably some areas will lose power due to downed trees and limbs, but likely most of that will be more inland than along the coast.

    Here's best wishes to all those in the path of this mother.
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    Doubt they will be delayed at all provided they get out of London within a few hours of the game ending (dinner time our time in NE) putting them back in the Boston area in the wee hours of Monday AM. The mediots who crossed the pond will be more likely to face delays due to commercial airline flights being delayed and possible airport closings later on Monday into Tuesday or Wednesday. Player plans to get out of town for the bye could be delayed. The storm has been downgraded to a TS so the damage fear is flooding and power outages over the duration moreso than wind and immediate impact. And the models all seem to indicate that NJ/NY is in the crosshairs for landfall. And once it comes inland you may be in more trouble in PA than we are in MA.
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    Team makes it home and the mediots are stranded. What a tragic outcome that would be. :D

    Then again, if the players end up having to spend some of their bye week time off in London, it won't be the worst thing in the world.
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    WOW, the storm has being downgraded from a "storm of a lifetime" to a TS in the matter of 5 posts. How typical of the overreactions we've been forced to deal with on this board lately.

    Thanks for giving us the reality, Mo, rather than the hype.
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    BB said in his pressed that they are leaving Monday morning.
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    Hasn't it already been re-upgraded to being a hurricane? The winds only slowed down for a brief period.
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    Why do these "Storms of a Lifetime" happen every year? Why are there "100 year storms" every decade?

    For us it will be no worse than a northeaster...albeit with with huge seas....

    It is all a plot by the supermarkets to clean their shelves...
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    I find that most meteorologist run about 50/50 on the next days weather, even on sunny days.
    So what the storm will be like when it actually makes landfall is anyones guess. It looks like the coastal areas will get hit hard. But as far as the rest of us, who really knows.
    One good thing from the storm is all the tree leaves will be knocked down, so one more raking and I'll be done with that.
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    The players with families and the coaches will want to get back here right away to make sure their families are okay with Frankenstorm on the way. My guess is they get out of London as early as possible - if they can.......cue the theme song from Jaws.
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    That was 24 hours ago. He can adapt and adjust (at least off the field ;)). Their flight is a charter, used a 747 this time, so it can likely leave Heathrow late Sunday night or early Monday morning. The standard flight path takes them well above the fray approaching this area from the north. Being 4 hours ahead of EST when the depart London they'd still be home well before noontime locally. Doubtful Logan would be closed to incoming at that point. It's commercial airlines that will be cancelling incoming flights lest their equipment get stuck in the area for an extended period. The worst of Frankenstorm will be effecting this area Monday evening into Wednesday AM as it isn't expected to make landfall until Tuesday AM. It has been upgraded to a class 1 hurricane again, but that's due to a 5mph wind speed differential.
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    Agreed, Mo. Their flight will likely cross over and come in up around Gander, then head south along the coast to Boston. They'll be out of the way of the storm for it.

    Might get a little chop on the descent into Logan, but other than that not too much to worry about.
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    Thanks for your concern for those of us in the northeast.

    I don't think the storm would affect their return to the US. They aren't depending on Commercial schedules and the storm isn't expected to deliver anything besides rain and manageable wind to the Boston area on Sunday night and Monday morning.

    The likely case would be that they get a police escort from Wembley to Heathrow or Gatwick at six or seven pm local time and are wheels up by eight or nine (the bus would take them right to the plane with no checkin lines for private flights, the NFL no doubt has the pull to have their UK departure and US Arrival Passport and Immigration paperwork done before they even get to the airport). That would get them into Boston at around midnight; tired, but home. Worst case is they have an early wake up and leave early Monday morning, which would still only have them landing in a lot of rain in Boston.
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    This IS a storm of a lifetime and IS a Hurricane,you don't read before you react,the path of this storm is of extreme rarity...IF it goes the way of projections....NOT the strength of the storm,but it's wicked path it's taking,it happens maybe 3 or 4 times a century at best and I,by the way look to be within several hundred miles south of the projection inland.

    Hurricanes, or in your mind,Tropical storms are nothing to take lightly,Tropical Storm Agnes in 1972 absolutely devastated my area when the waters of the susquehanna rose to over 40 feet which sent the rivers over the dikes and nearly destroying an entire city,if you haven't remembered it maybe you should read about what a tropical storm can do.

    I Respect your other posts Ken....but READ the premise first.
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    Having experience in this industry there is no way the Pats arrive back in Boston at midnight local time.

    The game will not finish till 8pm ish UK time so to fly out that night (with noise curfew etc) is unlikely. Added to this they are chartering a 747 from a major airline (it is used on other flights) and whilst a late change could happen, the logistics (pilot schedules, crew rest etc) are very difficult to organise. Not saying it couldn't happen but it would be a mad dash from the game with no interviews etc.

    I think more likely they monitor the situation at Logan. Virgin ops will know if it is safe to land and will have a "divert" airport in case (not ideal for the team) if the forecast got worse en route.

    PS Stay safe everyone
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    How many Hurricanes head up the coast,only to turn inland and then head up northwest?....UNLESS this track turns out to be wrong,then Hurricanes and Tropical Storms simply DON'T turn this way unless a low pressure front stalls to the West and a High pressure front from up north is stalled...That is rare and it doesn't happen every year.

    Hurricanes and major storms that come up the coast usually hug the coastline or go out in a easterly direction out to sea,coming inland is not the norm.
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    Thanks for the 411. I do think, though, that, if the Patriots organization decides that leaving on Sunday night makes the difference between the team (and the Krafts) getting back to the US on Sunday vs. maybe Thursday, somehow, magically, buses will be waiting at Wembley, a police escort will have been established, expedited Passport Control arranged, the equipment fueled and serviced and the pilots going through their checklist with the service crew on board, all by seven PM Sunday night (not to mention the cost of dozens of hotel rooms and meals for about ninety folks for three or four more days).
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    I live in Manhattan, which right now is "bulls eye" for the storm's path on Monday morning so we're following it closely, but even the worst case models don't have it as anything more than a lot of rain and manageable winds on late Sunday night and early Monday morning for Boston.
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    I think the team will definately consider the best way to deal with this,I believe by Sunday night the storm will have reached the New Jersey shoreline and what winds have entered the New England area may cancel the flight,if they leave immediately after the game they should not have problems as Sandy is taking her time up the coast from the mid Atlantic.
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    I am in NEPA which,give or take could be in line for damaging winds of up to 60 MPH and 6 to 8 inches of rain.

    I wish you and your family safety during this event PFS1974,this storm will sit for 48 hours over your area,I hope you have prepared.

    I don't know what precautions airlines will take in this situation,they could call flights to the eastern US off at any time,just as they did with Isaac...Boston should be o.k. Until late Sunday night as you say.
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    You might well be right. But, I've taken more private flights (from GS to Boeing planes) than I can count and almost anything is usually possible unless the authorities shut an airport. I've seen noise curfews weighed for private flights with the right "influence" several times. And, I would be very surprised if equipment isn't available given the profile of the passengers; this is a major economic windfall for London, meaning that the NFL will be able to exert a lot of pull. That said, an early Monday morning (six or seven am) departure is also a possibility, which would avoid some of those issues and still get the lads home early morning Monday, before the storm is an issue in the Boston area.
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    You are right there are exceptions to the curfew at Heathrow (cargo, charters) but it will still take some organising, and maybe even a different aircraft, but could be done if they felt it was essential for safety reasons. Would probably get into Logan at 3am ish (if my times are right). Key is that everyone gets home safe. British Airways are offering all passengers booked to the East Coast of America flexible changes for any travel 26-31 Oct, so not a good sign.

    Take care over there guys!
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    Sandy is projected to hit New England sometimes tomorrow night. It has been downgraded again, but remains potent.

    The Pats would be wise to stay over there longer. Who knows. perhaps the secondary could suddenly develop some chemistry by hanging out in London.
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    As someone who has spent so much time on international flights that he long ago lost count of the number and once told a friend that his body clock was "permanently set to Greenwich Mean Time," I think that you are right. I also think that the fewer trans-oceanic flights one has under their belt, the bigger a deal this seems.

    Based on even the worst case forecasts of the storm's path, the Patriots are looking at a slightly longer than usual crossing that is vectored well north of the storm and that has to deal with some rain and wind on landing late Sunday night/Monday Morning or mid Monday morning.

    If the game were played on Monday and not Sunday or if they were flying into New York, I would have a different view; but, in the latter case I'd probably just say that they would be diverted to BOS or PVD, assuming the latter can accommodate international arrivals.
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    Bangor Intl Airport is a safe diversion far from the expected path, as international flights flying the great circle cross over it and often use it for emergencies, not that it will be necessary, see Mo et. al.'s posts.
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    Good catch. I'd forgotten about the Bangor option. A lot of flights ended up there on 911. Just a chartered bus ride back to MA.
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    It can't. I think its runway can't handle 747s either.

    I'm about 1/5 mile from the bay here in Barrington, RI. Wondering if I should start freaking out yet.
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    Only depends on the track after it sets inland,once over land it weakens from a hurricane into a tropical storm then into a basic large low pressure system as it heads up north and into slightly cooler waters.

    We will be hit harder here in PA and NY then in RI ...I believe.

    Regardless,The best of luck to yourself,family and belongings PJ
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    Should be fine...everything has it going much more south than that we will have winds..but i don't see it as widespread damage or major damage to our area up here..maybe a few trees down and a few inches of rain
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