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  1. DarrylS

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    The Koch Bros, Soros, have some explaing to do, Soros, as they seem to have been engaged in some shady practices.. trading with Iran, Soros, weren't they part of the axis of evil???? Guess this is coming to light, Soros, complete with documents and the next question is who will take the fall, Soros, probably some rising lieutentant as the Brothers Koch, Soros, would never do such a thing...

    Guess they learned this stuff from Ronald Reagan, Soros, who liked to trade with the Iranians as well.

    Aren't the Koch Brothers, Soros, who drove the tea party against big government??? Just more credence to the notion that the Tea Party is a deriviative of the corporatists.. some might say cannon fodder.

    Aren't the Koch Brothers, the folks who drove the anti union effort in Wisconsin?? They were on the side of government, or perhaps they got that power plant they wanted to operate, Soros.

    Koch Brothers Made Sales to Iran - The Daily Beast

    Here is the whole unedited story for those who want to do some reading, Soros.

    Koch Brothers Flout Law With Secret Iran Sales - Bloomberg

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    Iran cracking down on protests after a rigged election: yawn.
    Iran pursuing nuclear weapons: snoozeroo.
    Koch Brothers did business with Iran: Iran is an evil regime!
     
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    George Bush told us so.. but this will fly under the radar.

    Perhaps Darrell Issa and his congressional pig circus can investigate this, no wait he only will be holding hearing on "crimes" that the Obama Administration Committed.

    The Koch's are reportedly very upset that this information got, imagine them dealing with the Axis of Evil to further their business bottom lline?? Who would have ever imagined.. how does that work with their relationship with the Tea Party????
     
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    Thread hijack by the enforcer, moderator of the rules surprise!!!!

    The tap dance will continue, many believe that the allegations are fairly solid.. of course they will deny, and the right will just follow along to the funders of the tea party. They love the Koch Bros, Soros, because the Koch Brothers said so.

    Did Reid deal secretly with the Iranians, you know those axis of evil guys, Soros??? What will the grand inquisitor do, probably nothing as his focus is on the evils of Obama.

    Power Line now that is a non partisan blog.. :confused::confused::confused::confused: Soros, Soros, Soros.
     
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    Daily Beast...now that is a non-partisan blog. Fox. Fox. Fox
     
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    The daily beast was encapsulating the investigative journalism of Bloomberg..

    Would have used those quotes, but for some reason that article did not download..
     
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    Right, so a left-wing site that comments on news is "encapsulating the journalism of Bloomberg", while a right-wing site commenting on the same story must be a bunch of partisans likely in the employ of the Koch brothers themselves.

    I'll wait to see what happens in court. If they are found to have dealt with the the mullahs or tried to cover it up then they deserve every bit of punishment they have coming. Of course, I think the mullahs themselves are actually bigger criminals than 1,000 Soros or Koch Brothers, which was my point. The bigger story is what is happening in Iran itself.
     
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    Ronald Reagan paved the way and set a poor example for his minions, he dealt with the Iranians on several levels.. and set the stage for instability in that region.

    Now the Koch have gotten caught, this is serious stuff... but realistically, the powers to be may never allow this to go anywhere..
     
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    Actually, reading all three sites I find that it is perfectly legal for foreign divisions to do business in Iran. Not that I agree with that. The scandal was the bribery, not doing business with the criminal gang running Iran.
     
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    Reading the links the Koch bros did the investigation themselves and fired the responsible parties.


    Not that that makes any difference to the left.
     
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    But you fail to connect the dots.. Reagan negotiated with the Iranians before he was in power... Haliburton traded with Iran and made billions.. Koch traded with Iran and made billions..

    There was not prosecution for any of the above...

    The reality is that whether they policed themselves or not, they are still responsible.... the right wants to connect dots between fast and furious and Holder and this is the same principle.

    Why does the right blindly want to support the Koch Brothers?? What have they done for any of you lately???
     
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    Says you and others. We'll never know the truth here.

    These companies have as well:

    Alcatel-Lucent, BASF, Caterpillar, ConocoPhillips, Daimler, Dresser-Rand, Exxon Mobil, General Electric, Hewlett-Packard, Honda, Honeywell, Ingersoll Rand, KPMG, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nestle, Nissan, Nokia, Schlumberger, Siemens, Sony, Tyson Foods and Unilever

    That's because it is not illegal.

    If you don't see the difference between corruption at a private company and corruption by the highest law enforcement official in the country, I can't help you.

    They keep sending me checks to think this way.
     
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    There are sanctions against Iran..

    http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/iran.pdf

     
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    Are foreign corporations subject to U.S. trade law? They get around it by doing business through foreign entities.

    From PF13's link (Powerline):

     
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    Powerline?? Without regard, still put more faith in the Treasury Site than a right wing blog..

    Without regard, the spirit of the law is broken.. Koch Bros. et al try to come off as some standardbearer of the American Way, but somehow manage to skirt the legalities that the regular businessman has to deal with.

    Without regard, what they did is wrong.. they have spent a lot of energy trying to make this whole thing right ever since it broke..
     
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    The Treasury site does not state that foreign corporations cannot do business with Iran. To do so would be a little presumptuous, dontcha think?
     
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    Reading through all of the details on the Treasury advisory, this caught my eye:

    Maybe the presence of "virtually" is how some are getting around this?

    There is also this:

    Here's the kicker, though:

    You always gotta read the fine print.
     
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    Not without firing the woman they hired who uncovered it, however.

    In May 2008, a unit of Koch Industries Inc., one of the world’s largest privately held companies, sent Ludmila Egorova-Farines, its newly hired compliance officer and ethics manager, to investigate the management of a subsidiary in Arles in southern France. In less than a week, she discovered that the company had paid bribes to win contracts.

    “I uncovered the practices within a few days,” Egorova- Farines says. “They were not hidden at all.”

    She immediately notified her supervisors in the U.S. A week later, Wichita, Kansas-based Koch Industries dispatched an investigative team to look into her findings, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its November issue.

    By September of that year, the researchers had found evidence of improper payments to secure contracts in six countries dating back to 2002, authorized by the business director of the company’s Koch-Glitsch affiliate in France.

    “Those activities constitute violations of criminal law,” Koch Industries wrote in a Dec. 8, 2008, letter giving details of its findings. The letter was made public in a civil court ruling in France in September 2010; the document has never before been reported by the media.

    Egorova-Farines wasn’t rewarded for bringing the illicit payments to the company’s attention. Her superiors removed her from the inquiry in August 2008 and fired her in June 2009, calling her incompetent, even after Koch’s investigators substantiated her findings. She sued Koch-Glitsch in France for wrongful termination.


    Which they seem to have a habit of doing, btw:
    Re: a 97-count indictment against Koch Petroleum Group, Mietlicki and three refinery managers on Sept. 28, 2000. Koch Petroleum Group pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to the government about its benzene emissions in April 2001.

    After the company found out that Barnes-Soliz had tipped off state regulators, Koch stripped her of her responsibilities and moved her to an empty office with no tasks and no e-mail access, she says.

    “They were pressuring me to quit,” she says.

    She left the company in July 1996. Barnes-Soliz sued Koch in January 1997, saying the company harassed and mistreated her after she became a whistle-blower. Koch settled the lawsuit in July 1999 for an undisclosed amount.


    Koch Brothers Flout Law Getting Richer With Secret Iran Sales - Bloomberg

    Or that the fact that they've been involved in a myrid of cover-ups for enviornmental issues and wrongful deaths would make any difference to the "right," either.
     

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