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  1. JoeSixPat

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    While I'm sure there are other threads out there about our 2011 draft picks already, the addition of a second 4th rounder for Maroney and the prospect of another high draft pick in a potential Mankins trade is making the Pats 2011 that much more interesting.

    The team already has two 1st rounders, two 2nd rounders, and now an extra 4th that could be packaged with a 3rd rounder to move up and grab a THIRD 2nd round pick, giving the Pats as many as FIVE picks in the first two rounds.

    Add another high pick from a potential Mankins trade (I'm guessing another 2nd rounder - could have been a first if a deal went down before the season started) and you're possibly looking at SIX players in the first two rounds.

    Yeah, I know all of this is idle speculation and there are endless permutations of what the Pats might do with the Maroney 4th rounder whatever they got for Mankins if such a deal even went down, but it would certainly make for an interesting 2011 season - if there IS one that is...

    If there's not a 2011 season then add the full complement of 2012 draft picks to the mix and you've got a pretty amazing amount of young competition trying to make the team.

    Assuming the Pats have hit paydirt with Vollmer, Butler, Chung, Tate and Edelman from 2009 and Gronkowski, Hernandez, McCourty, Spikes, Price and Mesko from 2010 we've got a pretty significant infusion of young talent on top of those 4-6 top two round draft picks to complement the veterans who are already here!

    If Belichick continues to draft well the next dynasty could be established before the old one fades.

    Again, idle speculation and far too early to make any predictions, but there's a ton of draft ammunition already and potentially more on its way!

    (Now let's just hope there IS a 2011 season!)
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    No just threads an entire sub forum.
  3. JoeSixPat

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    Wow - thanks I'll look.

    The Maroney trade and rumor of a Mankins trade are big news but I had no idea we'd devoted an entire subforum to it! :eek:
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    Yea it could be another big bundle of high picks but to temper you enthusiasm I should note that 2011 promises to be a weak draft because so many underclassmen came out this year to get a deal before the rookie cap. The plus side is the rookie cap so that if Oakland's first is a single-digit deal then the Patriots will not break the bank.

    My big question is if there is a lockout will there even be a draft?
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    What happens if there is a lockout in 2011 though? Will the Pats still own the rights to their 2011 draftees in 2012 or will they then be treated like free agents?
    Pats might get hurt the most by a lockout in that case.
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    We have four picks, and you are already counting six.
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    Yes - there will be a draft in 2011 no matter what.

    I'm not sure that we did see a huge influx of underclassmen this year - I think this expectation had been debunked previously as there were not considerably more underclassmen this year than in previous years. (Although there's no question that this was a deep draft

    Any rookie cap - which I assume refers to a new CBA agreement that seeks to limit the rediculous salaries of Top Ten picks - would be just that - having an impact mainly on the Top Ten. The rest of the players would be looking at the same sort of contracts they now have, most of which are heavilly in favor of the teams and often result in lower draft picks outplaying their rookie contracts.

    The more interesting aspect of all of this is the competition factor of so many young players... this isn't a bad thing, as we know Belichick keeps the best player and will cut anyone who doesn't deserve to make the team regardless of where he drafted him - but could result in a lot of turnover at the bottom and middle of the roster.
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    i'd rather have mankins long term than a 2nd rd pick.. just my opinion.
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    Cameron Heyward please.
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    I would be willing to bet that we trade one of our two 4th round picks
    for a 3rd round pick in 2012.
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    yeah i thought that was debunked also. Someone ran the numbers and i am pretty sure that this draft was pretty similar to most others in regards to under classmen
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    He looks pretty good in this clip except where he missed the tackle at the goalline.
    YouTube - Cameron Heyward vs. Oregon, Rose Bowl

    The question is, how well does he do against double teams?
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    1. A lot of players will be unable to feed their families.

    2. The Owners will most likely impose their last CBA offer on the NFL and treat player relationships accordingly, so I assume no free agents.
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    That would be sweet considering how we got the pick. My wish list in order since I am at:
    DE
    OLB
    WR if we don't resign Moss.
    RB
    OL
    The rest would just be gravy. Things might change during the season if Brace or Cunningham show a lot or some decent talent hits the free agency.
  15. NYCPatsFan

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    Unbelievable that you are speculating about the NEXT draft when a million things can happen between now and then.

    Can't you live in the present and enjoy what seems to be a promising and interesting season that started just three days ago??
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    The draft geeks say that the 2011 class is looking weak. If that's the case, all those picks may turn into one or two players in the first few rounds and a whole bunch of 2012 selections. Either than, or he'll do what he did in 2008 when he took Meriweather as his only real draft selection, and then traded basically all the rest of his draft value for Welker and Moss.
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    i don't think so i love speculating about drafts and what pick/possition we will take and how strong e.t.c the draft is perceived to be
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    You and me bofe! Hey, don't we now have an extra roster spot? Mankins may be coming back baby! :)
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    You're right. Its much more interesting to argue about Mankins, and Moss in 30 different threads. lighten up Francis
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    I'd be happy with drafting Julio Jones, and Ingram....or Ingrams backup, for that matter. I forget his name, but he looked damn good starting against Penn ST this past weekend.
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    Yeah:rolleyes:

    They need linemen, so you take a WR and a slow overrated RB. I hadn't heard that Bill had received a transfusion from Matt Millen recently.
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    His last name is Richardson....he is a monster....With all the high profile RB's if he comes out I would love to get him in the 2nd round or later....I am not sure where he is ranked among RB's though.....They said he benches 460 and he is small and powerful kind of like a MJD but a little taller....he would be a nice pick...
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    Trent Richardson, but he's a sophomore. I don't think he's eligible to declare until the 2012 draft.
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    I heard theres a RB for the U of Minnesota thats lights out.

    Can do it all.
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    I disagree on WR. if the pats don't resign moss, rather drafting a WR, I would thing they would pursue one of the top FA's available. with edelman,tate,price there is plenty of youth in the group. you are spot on with the rest of them tho
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    as of this juncture, in the first 2 rounds next year:

    DE - allen bailey
    DE/OLB - robert quinn
    OG - mike pouncey
    OT - anthony castonzo
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    And what's wrong with discussing the current issues? :cool:

    Nashville thunder can't lighten up the North Eastern bums. :)
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    The past two years, the Patriots made a total of 24 picks. The roster is now very young, with plenty of developing talent at most positions. Meanwhile early projections on the draft suggest it will have good top-end talent, but run very shallow. That all looks to me like a recipe for concentrating your firepower on a handful of players you feel really, really good about. I'm picturing some modest, strategic moves up, like the move for Gronkowski this year.

    The positions that still need an infusion of top youthful talent, in descending order:

    OL -- highest need, with Light & Neal (and Mankins, of course) likely gone
    RB -- empty backfield for 2011 at this point (though i really don't like spending 1st-round picks on running backs)
    OLB -- plenty of role players now, need an impact player
    DE -- TBD depending on whether Brace continues his astonishing turnaround and Warren recovers well, but definitely room for a stud
    WR -- only if Moss leaves

    And that's about it. It's mighty hard to picture a high pick on QB, TE, ILB, S or CB as things stand now.
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    That would be him. According to the tide website, he is only a sophmore, so forget about him. Ingram is also only a junior, so he might not even come out.
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    Umm...it's Wednesday? :)

    Besides, lots of folks like to start thinking about draft needs early so they can watch college games with an informed eye toward future Pats prospects.
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