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    Absolutely the best post I've read in a while! Just nails it right on the head- this is the true source of the problem we had last season, not the mythical "OLB pass-rushing savior" or the "2nd WR" or "the true RB."

    I've always believed that the one big problem we had was a lack of leadership in the locker room and a lack of backbone and dignity that you have with veterans who know just how hard it is to win something worthwhile.
     
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    Great insight from Brady:
    Brady says the problem is not with its talent base but in its ability to handle coaching. Lombardi makes a good case for this as well, young players seem to take coaching as criticism rather than as an opportunity to learn and correct mistakes.

    Good article, thanks!
     
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    Good article, but us old time fans aren't fooled. Lombardi died around 1970. This guy's an imposter.
     
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    Good article and as others have pointed out a better diagnosis of the team's ailments last season than most others. Putting that in context of TB not being able to execute on comebacks (multiple reasons) and Wilfork's unwillingness to take a full leadership role because of contract negotiations, it really brings to prominence the part that some veterans played in the breakdown in team dynamics (aka locker room chemistry). I can also imagine it was more than just the young players who reacted to coaching feedback as criticism - especially Adalius who should have been a defensive leader and instead chose to be a prima donna.

    Great way for TB to start the season now that the draft picks are made - lets start how we intend to finish - listening to the coach. Cant wait for this season. I am more pumped than last season when we were purportedly fully stacked. This year I feel we are returning with a "tude"
     
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    Excuse me, but what did you guys watch last year?

    The biggest problem last year was defense. We lost a lot of talented veterans on defense, which had more to do with it than anyone's leadership. Fans tend to put an unrealistic and mythical sense of leadership on winning teams. The real impact to W/L is in the veteran experience not some exaggerated view of attitude and leadership qualities.

    EDIT: And btw, Brady never had anything to do with leading the defense anyway.
     
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    and that is how I read it - we had a lot of young people on defense and the young weren't listening to the coaching and so mistakes were being made. The defense got slightly better when Sanders was brought back partly because he is good at reading offenses but also probably because he also listens to coaches. This would suggest that Butler and the other young CBs, possibly Chung and MacGowan weren't responding as they should. But it wasn't just the young that weren't listening it was some of the vets too. That is why I particularly disparaged AD who had a great year in 07, broke his arm in 08 and got on the wrong side of BB in 09.

    The lack of listening skills also apply to the offense with wrong routes being run, missed assignments and TB would know about these. I have coached a few middle schools teams and there is no doubt in my mind that teams that listen and execute are always better than teams with prima donnas and team mates who believe they know it all.

    Is this the only reason the team didn't meet expectations? - of course not. But it is a major one that cannot and should not be ignored.
     
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    The Pats had no ability to stop better passing games. None of your OLB's scare anyone, TBC is a nice player but he's limited. Wilfork is a great player, but against the pass he really doesn't bring much to the table.

    The NFL is a passing league and the only way to stop it is to pressure the qb. I'm sure you guys watched the superbowl against the Giants. The Pats were clearly the better team that season but the giants found a way to disrupt Brady and it totally changed your passing game.

    I still don't see where the Pats are getting pressure on the opposing teams qb and thats the biggest problem they have.
     
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    Well come on now, we did stop someone's passing game. Does Leigh Bodden ring any bells?
     
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    Also, if the passing game is the end all and be all, how did the Jets ride their running game to the AFCCG?
     
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    Oh yeah you guys stopped a rookie qb that all of you think is horrible. Must prove that your pass defense is top notch.
     
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    You said we couldn't stop ANYONE's passing game. miDeuce never said the pass defense was top notch.

    Now continue on believing last year's struggles will continue into this year, it only adds to the enjoyment when we win the division again
     
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    Brady won't struggle and until he falls apart you'll probably win the division on his back. The rest of the Jets team with the exception of the QB may be more talented then the Pats team but until Brady gets old or stops caring the Pats should be favored to win the division.

    Any Jets fans that think they have somehow passed the pats is just delusional.

    I will continue to believe that your pass defense will continue to struggle. That doesn't mean that I believe your team is going to struggle.
     
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    OK, well just edit your original post that we couldn't stop any GOOD passing teams. And I don't think Sanchez is horrible, I mean he's going 15-1 in this year right?
     
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    I think what Brady is saying has a slightly different interpretation to it than what has been said. I think what he is saying is that since CW and McD(and I don't think McD was as good a coach as CW) left, there really hasn't been an offensive coach to properly coach the offense. Just calling the plays is not enough. From a coaching viewpoint, last year was a big void. So what TB is saying is that there really is an offensive coach, it's BB and we(the team) need to recognize that and pay attention to him. And I think also that TB is saying to BB that you are our offensive coach and we will pay attention to you so coach us. That offensive coaching void needs to be filled!!
     
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    Come on you really think a real Jets fan thinks the Jets are going 15-1? I think somewhere between 9-7 and 12-4 depending on Sanchez and how much the new secondary improves the defense. Both teams have extremely difficult schedules.

    Sanchez had a strange year, he had 5 absolutely horrible games where he refused to check down and just kept throwing to Braylon. The majority of those turnovers were in those 5 games. The biggest issue with him is he has to take what the defense gives him. He doesn't have to throw the 20 yard pass every play and he seemed to improve on that in the playoffs.

    it was a bizarre season for him and the coaching staff didn't do a great job with him until late in the season. Rookie qb with 16 games played in college, thrown right into the fire, week 5 they trade for Braylon, then Cotchery gets hurt. The coaching staff went from putting the ball into his hands to the stupid color based scheme.
     
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    Ding! :rofl:
     
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    I think you may be misreading that. I am pretty sure he was talking directly to young players who aren't familiar with the Patriot way and may have been led astray by some of the negative influences in the lockerroom. He specifically referenced the young players after he said that they gotta listen to Belichick more.
     
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    that might be what you think, and you are entitled to your opinion, but I don't think there's anyway we can read that into what Brady said.
     
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    Ahhh well NO

    The only poor game for the defense was New Orleans. The defense played well or pretty well in the other games.

    What is it with this site that makes so many think you are going to keep Indy to 6 points and 150 yards total offense? It cracks me up when people mention the game in Miami and then don't look at the fact the other seven opponents were worse...especially the "Number 1" ranked Jets defense.

    We are also back to the clown "Giants" game. The Giants had a great gameplan and that works for a limited period. Where have the Giants been since?
     
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