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Lombardi: 49ers 'toughest challenge' for Pats
No Duh'. They're the second best team in the NFL. So I guess I agree. Should be a good game, getting excited already. For most teams I'd be worried of a letdown after a big HOU type game. But, I'm sure the Pats are looking at this as a big two game block, so I doubt we see that here. Although 5 days rest will surely hurt, as will the travel for SF (but I wish it was an early 1pm game).
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I still think the Giants are the hardest challenge for the Pats. The Giants just seem be the team a team that is tough to line up against for the Pats.
edited to add - I see the 49ers game like a lot of the old Ravens games. I can see the Pats losing but think it is more likely the win in what is for them a relatively low scoring and physical game.
49ers defense is fast, hard hitting, and their front 7 can cause damage. This is going to be a battle for the Patriots.
The Giants are 27th in yards allowed per carry.
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their D is a very tough challenge..O not so much
A light snow on sunday night with brady playing? i like our odds
I think they are. Did you see the locker room clip after the Texans game? In it Brady tells one of his teammates, "big one next week, too, and equally important." I am confident he will be ready for, presumably, their toughest challenge yet.
That's what everybody said about Texans, me too. Brady can light up 49ers too with good game plan and practice. Anyway, I want to see this year's team against the Giants. With healthy Gronk and Hernandez in the playoffs we should win the SB.
the toughest challenge for the giants is and will always be the giants, especially with eli manning and tom coughlin at helm
For the 9er D, no doubt they are stout, one of the most if not the most stout. I doubt we will run too much on them. But here is the passing O's the 9er D has faced over the last 5 games: Phins, Rams, Saints, Bears, Rams. 4 mostly poor passing teams and a good Saints passing team. Looking at that game, the Saints had 3 drives of approx. 80 yards that consisted of 8, 10 and 12 plays that resulted in TDs. While the 9ers generally did a good job with the Saints, giving up 3 80 yard drives doesn't tell me the 9er D is impervious. Now will we move the ball on them?? We'll find out Sunday...
IMHO the 9er O is more enigma than "not so much". I think this game starts and all but ends with how much our D makes CK throw the ball. The Patriots run D needs to do to the 9ers what they did to the Texans rushing game (but this time it includes keeping CK from rushing for big chunks of yards). The Patriots do that and the OL gives TFB time? The Patriots win this game. If we let CK break out for some runs and the 9er pass rush is hitting/rushing TFB too frequently? We'll lose. Fortunately it looks like the top line OL is going to get a second game in a row intact. That's a positive sign....
The toughest challenge for the Pats by far is always the next one. Right now that happens to be the 49ers. Last week it was Houston.
Of course the game is going to be a challenge.DUH!!..every game begins that way and ends that way. One thing I have faith in is that the Patriots coaching staff has been devising a game plan for weeks now. Brady is facing his hometown team he rooted for as a kid and the same team that passed him bye in the draft. Brady has played his hometown team once and I believe beat them 21-7 in Gillette on the last game of the 2005 season...the last season they won a SB. Then you hear that he started on this game after the Thanksgiving Day game against the Jets.....and you don't think he's up for this..you don't think that his team mates don't know the importance of this game. This is Foxborough.....I'm willing to bet that the Pats totally blow out this team while blowing the minds of the Nations media...imagine back to back blowouts of top ranked teams....then add the weather...Brady even in a light snow changing to rain.....I'll take that any day....
Statistically, I would agree with you - the Pats should roll over the Giants.
Unfortunately, it never seems to work out that way in reality.
I think the 49ers will present a major challenge, but I think the Pats are more than up to the task. Pats win, 24-20.
I think I would be more scared of them offensively if Alex Smith was playing IMO...he doesnt make too many mistakes and we saw that when he needed to(the saints game) he can keep up with opposing offenses.
for all I hear about CK being a "more dynamic player" Belichick seems to do very well against rookies....one or two rookie mistakes could be all it takes for the Pats to take advantage.
the one thing i'm scared about is our offense vs. their defense...the key is going to be OL play IMO...if they can keep brady relatively clean I think he can light up just about ANY defense
My expectation is that BB and Brady have devised a gameplan that will neutralize the Niners D and slow them down....
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I know its become fashionable to dump on Lombardi, but I'm surprised no one has commented on the 2 incredibly insightful points he made that I haven't heard from anyone else all week.
1. That, while the Niners want to let you have the "illusion" of a balanced offense. Their goal is to run the ball, and Kaepernick allows them to do that so much better.
2. Their OL ranks 28th in holding calls, and 28th in sacks allowed. That's not a coincidence. As good as they are in the run game,. that's how bad an OL they are in the pass game. Quite simply they have trouble when they drop back and pass. And if they have to do it more than 30 tiimes, on Sunday, they will be in trouble.
Look at the 4 games Kaepernick has started. In the 3 wins he never had to throw the ball more than 25 times. The only times he's thrown the ball over 30 times (and it was only 32) was in the one loss he had.....and even then he only had 206 yds. In fact he's never had more than 250 yds in any start. Hell, that used to be a good half for a lot of QB's going against the Pats secondary in "the bad old days" .
No Kaepernick is in there because he adds another running dimension to an already great running attack. He got the job because the OL can't pass block and he's capable of ripping off 50+ yd runs on a regular basis Plus it doesn't hurt that he seems to be fairly accurate in the short game, and takes good care of the ball (so far)
To me that's great coaching by Harbaugh to recognize the strengths and limitations of his team. It makes his switching QB's make much more sense. Kaepernick looks like he always was the QB of the future for the Niners, and eventually they could fix the flaws in the offense and he could develop into a great one. But for tomorrow night....I'm betting BB will have a great plan for him. Whether the players can execute it is another story. It would be a horrible indictment of the Pats secondary if Kaepernick rips off a 300+ yd passing game. It would be a big step back
In any event those are 2 great insights by Lombari, which I haven't heard anywhere else. As much as I hate to give D&C a click, it was worth the listen
I commented on both of those points, FWIW. The first one several times.
I think defensively you hope the Niners try and go ground and pound on us...if our front 7 can shut down the Run(like we did to arian foster) it will put the Niners in alot of tough 3rd and long positions where you can just pin your tails back and rush the passer...you put their QB in uncomfortable situations to have to make tough throws to beat you.
fill the box..stop the run..make kap throw it 30+ times..if he beats you..so be it..but don't let gore get 4.5 ypc
It would not surprise me one bit if SF gives CK a series or two (perhaps a quarter) and depending upon his results they switch to Smith - thinking that it will force the Pats to make adjustments and take them out of their game plan a bit. The 9ers need this game more and I expect some unexpected wrinkles. I may be wrong, but hey, it wouldn't be the first time.
Agreed..as mentioned..I wouldn't be surprised to see both QB's in at different times...and odds are they prepped for that
I see this as a 50/50 chance game, like 90% of Pats games. My worries of the secondary have eased. I think if the WR's can get open fast enuff for TB to get a quick release they can help beat the sack. Hopefully TB is on target and not throwing to thier ankles. It seems if he does it continues thru out the game. If the no huddle can tire thier D like the Texans (Watt looked gassed in 1st qtr) , they have a good chance. Thats my simple, obvious take on it , but thats all I got.
Also, because he has one of the strongest arms in the league. If Brady, Romo, or Brees is down by 17 points at the start of the 4th quarter, they are still a major threat because they can burn you on one completed pass. Smith, not so much,
Kaepernick might not have the fineness of Brady or Brees, but I suspect he can throw the ball even harder than they can, and if it comes to a desperate situation where the 49ers get seriously behind (like against the Giants), Kaepernick at least has a realistic potential of throwing it 50 yards down the field to a receiver like Moss, or burning through the remaining defensive line and running for a first down and a stopped clock if they are not.
Sure, Alex Smith could do that too. He was fast on his feet and he has made a few long passes when it mattered, and he is probably still the better quarterback right now, but you don't see the potential to come from behind with him that you do with Kaepernick, due to Kaepernick's lightning-fast foot speed and He-man strong arm.
But yeah, the 49ers plan is to run the ball as much as possible, but both Smith and Kapernick have an excellent passer rating (Smith is tied for first with RGIII and Brady for 2012), and with Crabtree, Moss, Manningham, great RBs, and even tackles that receive the pass occasionally, it is not like it was back in the bad old days of Singleterry, or even last year during the NFC championships where Crabtree could not get open at all.
Also, with the Patriots pass defense being one of the worst in the league this year, I think that Harbaugh is at least going to try to burn the Patriots defense on the pass, like he did to NY in the regular season in 2011. Kaepernick certainly has the arm to put up some 30 yard+ pass and hope that Moss is talented enough to get under it, especially when the 49ers many RBs can regularly pick up 4-6 yards on a first down rush.
It should be an interesting game, especially since the weather calls for it to be cold, rainy, and generally miserable, a great defensive powerhouse against a great offensive powerhouse in the mud. Almost a repeat of the NFC championship game last year.
And Kapernick's body of work includes? Compared to Smith? Anyone could have an excellent passer rating when they have thrown 103 passes in 4 games. Talk about comparing arses to elbows. I hope CK has 25-30 attempts (hopefully more) in this game b/c that means BB's plan to force CK to win this game with his arm has worked. Good luck with that one - even against this secondary - which many still think is lame.
He has actually been playing all 2012 regular season, although he has only been on field for the majority of five games, with him being used primarily as an option QB to rush or to put up long passes a play or two per quarter before Smith got hurt, with an overall passer rating for 2012 that I think would put him in the top 8-10 QBs in the league.
Still, not enough games to really say for sure that it is not a fluke, but he had his best starting game of the season against Chicago, which is considered to be one of the best defenses in the NLF. Of course, it could be a fluke, but I don't think Harbaugh would have started him if he did not see the potential for CK to become a better passer than Smith, which unlike years past, is actually quite a complement given that Smith leads the league in yards per passing attempt.
I doubt it. Harbaugh made a bold, very conspicuous decision (right or wrong) in benching Smith and going with CK. If he pulls CK in a big game like this, he has sent a message that his judgement is bad as well as CK is not ready for prime time. Further, benching CK would risk hurting his very inexperienced ego (a starting QB is the most fan/media pressure position in all of sports). The so called QB of the future has to play with the belief he will be pulled anytime he makes mistakes.
Add to this I believe Smith is owed a big payment at the end of the season. It is very unlikely he will be with the 9ers next season. To bring him back in, have him perform really well and win this big game is to send the message to the team/fan base that Smith is needed to be an elite team - that CK isn't a top starting level QB.
If the 9ers stay close then CK has done well enough (or not poorly enough) to get the chance to lead them to victory. If he performs very poorly, the game may be out of reach and there is no reason not to let CK gain the big game experience. IMHO there just isn't a big window for why Harbaugh would pull CK.
manningham is out i guess helps us
I haven't really caught any niner games with kapernick as the qb. How strong of an arm does he really have? Is he accurate?
Good luck tomorrow night with these two QBs. 1st, Alex Smith is 3rd, not 1st in yards per pass attempt. Too bad he's also got 2,100 fewer yards this season than Tom Brady.
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