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  1. DaBruinz

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    The Patriots did not cheat. They broke a rule. There is a difference and you clearly aren't intelligent enough to understand that.
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    You really should STFU when you don't know what you are talking about.

    1) The Patriots weren't cheating. They never viewed the tapes during the game. Also, as NUMEROUS coaches such as Cowher, Johnson and Reeves came out and said, its impossible to digest 30 minutes of football in less than 15 minutes.

    2) Teams change their signals during the games. The tapes were used to learn the tendencies of the COACHES the Pats were playing. It was just another form of scouting. A form that the above mentioned coaches said has been a commonplace in the NFL.

    3) The Pats went 6-10 that year because the talent they had sucked.

    4) The Patriots did NOT have tapes taken from them prior to the GB game in 2006.

    5) While the "memo" was a reminder, there was no specified punishment for it and if you are really that stupid to believe that its worse to do that than it is to tamper with a free agent (SF, NYJ), or cheat the salary cap (SF, DEN) then you are truly not even worth of talking to about football because you will have proven that you aren't intelligent enough to have that sort of conversation.
  3. DaBruinz

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    The NFL has, most certainly, tolerated spying. Its why they didn't punish Shanahan for employing Lip-readers with binoculars to read the opposing coach's lips. How about you STFU and check your facts before posting from now on?
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    The Patriots did have their camera man Matt Estralia (mis-spelled im sure) have his tape taken away and asked to leave Lambeau Field, he simply decided to tape from the tunnel instead, now that's dedication the the value his spying gained for the team.

    Just because the Patriots said they didnt use the tapes during the games does not make it the truth. Remember, your taking the word of a team that knowingly broke the rule and then lied about their interpretation. But they certainly would not go to such lengths and risk so much if the benifit was not major, and it was.

    These numorus (3 coaches) you have mentioned does not represent the majority of the league. One of them might have cheated himself so he'll defend it. Others would not want to get on the bad side of Roger Goodell who's been hell-bent on sweeping it under the rug. The opinions of a handfull of individuals who's opinions could be infuenced by many reasons, can not play down or disprove the obvious. The Pariots knew many plays before they came and what my friends was a major advantage.

    Also, knowingly breaking the rules, and using technology to secretly videotape other coaches signals, jam opponents radio frequencies, is certainly cheating. You were correct in stating that they were breaking the rules, but in so doing they were in the process of cheating.

    As far as the Denver situation, if anything is to ever be proven, of course they should be punished. But reading lips and using binoculars is using the naked eye, not technilogy. The binoculors is the issue and thats bad but nothing near the level of videotaping. Cheating the salary cap is bad, that should also be punished. But thats aiding you in gaining players you otherwise might not have. The Patriots knew the plays coming, and messed with other teams radio signals, that is a much bigger advantage and they certainly capatalized off of this extensive cheating by winning 3 super bowls they otherwise would have lost.
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    If you truly believe that the use of videotape was in and of itself enough to explain the Pats' three SB rings, then there is truly no point in attempting to actually have a rational argument with you.
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    Was it "in and of itself" the sole reason for their 3 Super Bowl victories, no. But was it enough of an edge that they were able to squeak by in 3 games? Absolutley.
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    Where *Jules* is a moderator????:eek:

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    Wrong. Circumventing the salary cap is a far greater advantage than videotaping signals from the sidelines rather than from the 'designated areas' that re further away.

    Just because something gets repeated often does not make it true. The Patriots defeated the following playoff teams: the Chargers, Cowboys, Redskins, Colts, Eagles, Steelers, and Giants. They also beat the Browns, who would have made the playoffs if not for collusion between the Colts and Titans, and the Bills twice, who were 8-6 gainst the rest of the NFL. The 'easy schedule' argument is a fallacy. Oh, and technically as well as every other way, the Patriots won and the Ravens lost.

    This comment is ridiculous. It would be like me saying "Just because NFL_Truth said he's not an axe murdere does not make it true."

    Now you are repeating hearsay and wild speculation and not only repeating it as fact, but also jumping to unfounded conclusions based on those allegations. It's really the worst type of pretzel logic there is.
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    Actually based off of facts, proof, and admission. If you want to have it outlined better, visit the link I gave in the other post.
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    WRONG. Matt Estrella was only asked to leave the sidelines.

    Its not a matter of the Patriots saying it. GOODELL said it didn't happen. Numerous coaches have come out and said that its impossible to tape all the people sending in signals and break it down as to what the play would be and get that to the QB before the headset shuts off at 15 seconds on the play clock. Also, there is NO video playing equipment allowed in the coaches' booth, the lockerrooms, or the sidelines. How would the Pats have viewed the tapes?


    I listed 3, but there were plenty of others including Bill Cowher, Marty Schottenheimer and Mike Shanahan.

    No, the Patriots didn't know many plays before they were called. What they KNEW was what a coach's tendencies were. And that is the difference that you don't seem to be able to comprehend.

    The Patriots were NOT secretly video-taping. It was down out in the open.

    Also, moron, the Patriots were not once said to have jammed opponents frequencies. As I pointed out to you in another post, there are other reasons why frequencies get "jammed". What you fail to acknowledge is that the NFL is who controls the frequencies. Its the NFL who controls the set-up of the head-sets prior to the game. The Patriots have no knowledge of who will get what frequency.

    The Patriots were not cheating.

    What do you mean "As far as the Denver situation, if anything is to ever be proven," Jesus man. Do you homework. Denver already was punished for the salary cap violations.

    You keep saying these BS lies that the Patriots knew what plays were coming and they didn't. You keep lying and saying that they messed with the other teams radio signals and that's not true either.

    Its amazing how you sit there and claim truth yet everything coming out of your mouth is a lie.
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    I did visit the link you gave in the other post - and gave a fairly detailed response to the very many inaccuracies and falsehoods in the article.

    The Patriots have been videotaping since 2000, they freely admitted that. Again, you are confusing the concept of a fact with opinions, rumors, and speculation. If you have an opinion or a theory, that's fine - but don't call it a fact if it isn't a fact.
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    Yeah it really sucks, I wasn't expecting the window to be closing for at least a few more seasons. I still have hope that we have a few more runs at a Super Bowl in them.

    edit to add: I just read a few comments in this thread about the Pats video taping, I don't believe for one second that the Pats gained any advantage in anyway shape or form from that. The only rule they broke was taping from the field, all teams video tape so any team in the league would basicaly have the exact same advantage as the Pats did.
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    IC, how does it feel now?
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    Welcome Back, IUCPFIYPYO.

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    It really sucks...lol so you live in French Lick? I play black jack there about once a month..
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    Really? You must play with my buddy Newt2112

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    IC, nice message board you got out there, kudos.

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    Hey! Who gave you Colts fans permission to hijack a thread!? :cool:
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