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  1. Fogbuster

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    Tale of Two Houses
    House 1:
    The four-bedroom home was planned so that "every room has a relationship with something in the landscape that's different from the room next door. Each of the rooms feels like a slightly different place." The resulting single-story house is a paragon of environmental planning.

    The passive-solar house is built of honey-colored native limestone and positioned to absorb winter sunlight, warming the interior walkways and walls of the 4,000-square-foot residence.
    Geothermal heat pumps circulate water through pipes buried 300 feet deep in the ground. These waters pass through a heat exchange system that keeps the home warm in winter and cool in summer. A 25,000-gallon underground cistern collects rainwater gathered from roof urns; wastewater from sinks, toilets, and showers cascades into underground purifying tanks and is also funneled into the cistern. The water from the cistern is then used to irrigate the landscaping around the four-bedroom home, (which) uses indigenous grasses, shrubs, and flowers to complete the exterior treatment of the home. In addition to its minimal environmental impact, the look and layout of the house reflect one of the paramount priorities: relaxation. A spacious 10-foot porch wraps completely around the residence and beckons the family outdoors. With few hallways to speak of, family and guests make their way from room to room either directly or by way of the porch. "The house doesn't hold you in. Where the porch ends there is grass. There is no step-up at all." This house consumes 25% of the energy of an average American home. (Source: Cowboys and Indians Magazine, Oct, 2002 and Chicago Tribune April 2001.)

    House 2:
    This 20-room, 8-bathroom house consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year. The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, this house devoured nearly 221,000 kWh, more than 20 times the national average. Last August alone, the house burned through 22,619 kWh, guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of this energy consumption, the average monthly electric bill topped $1,359. Also, natural gas bills for this house and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year. In total, this house had nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for 2006. (Source: just about anywhere in the news last month online and on talk radio, but barely on TV.)





    House 1 belongs to George and Laura Bush, and is in Crawford, Texas.

    House 2 belongs to Al and Tipper Gore, and is in Nashville,Tennessee.


    Verified

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp



    AlGore needs to shut up and go home.

    George Bush should be president for twenty more years.


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    Yeah there some prominent global warming icons who are hypocrites, no doubt. That doesn't justify your last comment about your wish for a Bush dictatorship, though.
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    In his brief tenure, George Bush has earned at least three dozen environmental black marks, including his well-publicized backtracking on the Kyoto treaty on global warming, continued effort to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, delay in implementing arsenic standards for drinking water, and his move to weaken Bill Clinton's roadless initiative for national forests, which would protect more than 58 million acres.

    Bush even challenged citizens' right to sue the government to protect wildlife under the Endangered Species Act. In his proposed budget, Bush would prohibit federal spending to carry out new court orders protecting plants and animals. That would give Interior Secretary Gale Norton--who once filed a legal brief arguing that the Endangered Species Act was unconstitutional--sole discretion over which new species are to be protected under the act.

    The list of Bush's not-so-subtle assaults on the environment includes:

    * an attempt to weaken efficiency standards for central air conditioners.

    * a proposal to cut energy-efficiency research and development by 27 percent.

    * a proposal to increase the Bureau of Land Management's budget for oil drilling and exploration by $15 million and decrease its budget for conservation by the same amount.

    Surprisingly, though, things could be worse. So we'll give Bush this faint praise: The president has at least promised not to unravel several Clinton-era gains, among them a ban on snowmobiles in Yellowstone and new standards for diesel engines.

    * For a comprehensive and up-to-date look at the impact of the Bush presidency on the environment, go to www.sierraclub.org/politics/bush.

    COPYRIGHT 2001 Sierra Magazine
    COPYRIGHT 2001 Gale Group
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    Thanks BUSH!

    The misnamed "Clear Skies" initiative expands the pollution trading system so some communities will get cleaner, but many communities will lose out on cleaner air. The two-stage plan isn't even fully in place for another 15 years. Even if the plan caused some net reductions in pollution, many communities would still be threatened by more pollution.
    Nitrogen Oxide (NOx) is a major contributor to smog that is linked to asthma and lung disease. Current Clean Air Act programs could result in NOx pollution levels of about 1.25 million tons by 2010. But the Bush plan calls for loosening the cap on NOx pollution to 2.1 million tons by 2008 - an increase of 68 percent more NOx pollution.


    Sulphur Dioxide (SO2) is a major contributor to acid rain and soot. Clean Air Act programs already on the books could reduce SO2 pollution levels to 2 million tons by 2012. Clear Skies weakens these protections to allow 4.5 million tons of SO2 by 2010 -a staggering 225 percent increase of SO2 pollution.


    By the 15th year of Clear Skies: 450,000 more tons of NOx, one million more tons of SO2, and 10 more tons of mercury would be allowed than under strong enforcement of existing Clean Air Act programs.


    Clear Skies creates a loophole exempting power plants from being held accountable to the Clean Air Act's New Source Review (NSR) standards and from being required to install cleanup technology (best available retrofit technology or BART). NSR standards require new power plants and upgraded plants to comply with modern federal emissions limits. BART protects communities from persistent haze and other air quality problems by reducing the pollution emitted from antiquated power plants.


    "Clear Skies" delays the enforcement of public health standards for smog and soot until the end of 2015.


    The plan restricts the power of states to call for an end to pollution from upwind sources in other states. The plan prohibits any petitions of this sort from even being implemented before 2012.


    Mercury is a dangerous toxin that threatens people and wildlife as a pollutant from coal-fired power plants. The EPA once estimated that enforcement of existing toxic air pollution protections in the Clean Air Act would limit mercury pollution to 5 tons per year by 2008. The original Clear Skies proposal would have weakened the limit to an astounding 26 tons by 2010. Unfortunately, this piece of the proposal was split away from the initiative and was put into place as the Clean Air Mercury Rule in 2005.

    Reference Note: Facts and figures based on comparisons using the following sources:

    U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, "Discussion of Multi-Pollutant Strategy." September 18, 2001. Meeting with Edison Electric Institute.

    U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, "A Comprehensive Approach to Clean Power: Straw Proposal and Supporting Analysis for Interagency Discussion." August 3, 2001.

    White House, "Fact Sheet: President Bush Announces Clear Skies and Global Climate Change Initiatives." February 14, 2002.
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    Screw your term "dictatorship". If Franklin "appease Papa Joe Stalin" Roosevelt can serve for four terms, then Bush should be able to.



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    whaaaaaat? Its against the law for him to do so.

    But I predict he will server a 3rd term....even though I hate t he guy. Watch as he starts a war and declares martial law!
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    Blah, blah, blah. Michael Moore's anecdotes. Whoopee.

    Bush LIVES energy conservation. Al Gore is a poster boy for MASSIVELY EXCESSIVE OVERUSE of energy.

    I know who I trust, and it ain't hypocrite Al.


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    Actually, this scary idea is possible right now under our laws. If another disaster happens, Bush and FEMA can suspend the consitution (ending the United States) and declare martial law for an unspecified period of time (as long as he wants). Look it up.
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    Yeah, Bush with his 30% or so approval rating. He's done a terrible job as president, and during his tenure more than 6,000 Americans have been killed by our enemies. Our economy is less equitable, the world dislikes America, we our drowning in debt, the terrorists are strong as ever, Iran is now stronger than ever because we took out Saddam, and global warming is getting worse, regardless of Bush and Gore's individual energy consumption. Tell me something: If Moon distances himself from Bush, will you Fog? Or do you think for yourself on this matter.
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    If he does it, he will be killed. There will be a revolution and that might not be so bad. The government could do with a little house-cleaning. We could start over with a stripped-down legal code and the Constitution without the voter restrictions and slavery would be a good start.

    Go ahead chimp...try it!
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    You and I and everybody with half a brain knows that approval ratings are media creations: run good press on someone and surprise surprise he gets good ratings; run him down and lo and behold his ratings are low. Duh.

    Bush has not changed one iota since 9/11. Immediately after 9/11 his approvals were near 90%. Then the war became longer than expected, it cost more lives and money than first expected, America has had to sacrifice. Nothing new here. See "Flags of Our Fathers": the U.S. was bankrupt and weeks away from suing for peace with the Japanese in WWII. Until Iwo Jima. That flag raising saved the war from going south.

    Iran's position now is WEAKER, not stronger, because we have brought a level of serious democratic reform to the region. Iranians are straining at the leash to get rid of their little Hitler president, and they will if we continue the course in Iraq.

    Father Moon's position has been a steady keel and a lesson in perseverance, a good lesson for all Americans, not just me. Moon backs Bush because he sees the character of the man, and I see that character clearly as well. No doubt about it. Every time I see him speak I feel his sincerity.

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    Actually, you missed the gist of the movie. The movie is about propaganda by the government in order to manipulate the masses.
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    Yeah, right. Let's not trust the American people; let's let pride and arrogance shape our thinking. Polls are reasonably accurate reflections of sentiment, though there is a margin of error.

    Well, everyone rallied around the President after 9/11. It was the natural thing to do. His approval ratings skyrocketed. That's no surprise. But, he was given an opportunity and he blew it. Roosevelt did not and for that reason most people consider Roosevelt one of the greatest presidents. You can argue that Bush is a victim of circumstance, but unlike most of his predecessors he did not and does not know how to play his hand. America is weaker than ever before. He cowered on 9/11, refusing to show his face and didn't even go to NYC until several days later. He's not a strong leader. He's stubborn. You mix up the two.
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    What do you think I just said? I said the Iwo photo op was what the government used to get people back into the fight.
    "Manipulating" people is what everyone does to get what they want. You do it, everyone does it. It's called "marketing" or "salesmanship".

    You freaking naysayers think you're so smart, but you're really not.



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    Nah dude, it was teh aliens at Area 51 that figured out the flaw in the wing design of the Corsair. Oh and they also gave us some gold.


    Honestly, why can't we get any Republicans who aren't insane in here?
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    haha, seriously.
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    The American people are the ones getting jobbed by a dictatorial ignorant press that has drumbeat the public into a false image of Bush and this war. You know that and I know it, and thanks to many voices all over the place, more and more people know it, too.

    Someday all your personal agenda and hidden motivations are going to be revealed for what they are.



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    I think you're the one being fooled, only you don't know it.

    Someday all your personal agenda and hidden motivations are going to be revealed for what they are.
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    Pretty funny.



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    yeah that's right, it's all fake! bush is the best! i don't care what anyone else says, my fingers are in my ears! lalalalalalala i can't hear anything lalalalala!!

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