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  1. nowayback

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    some good points on that it is only illegal to use video to tape..if the tape is then used to help team during game
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    It would make sense that Belichick taped the signals for intent to use in Week 15, though Goodell couldn't condone this either, even though the "letter of the law" says it can't be used DURING THE GAME.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    Interesting, I'm listening now........ If that's what the memo or rules say................ whoaaaaaaaaaa.

    Some serious apologies will need to be handed out. Waaaay to grey and too much room for interpretation. Seriously, at the most (if what they are saying is correct), this is NO MORE SERIOUS then a mis-interpretation of a very grey rule/memo.

    Anyone able to dig that report up and post it online. NO WAY can they even take picks if thats the way the memo reads. For those not listening, it basically says, you can not use recording devices in a game you are playing for USE OF IN-GAME analysis.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    Cousin,
    That is a good post. This might be where the BB "interpretation of the rules" comes from. If he did NOT get to use the tape to help the team "during this specific game", than how can RG nail him? If your wording is exact and concise, they can get him on attempted "filming" only. It would appear that if your wording is correct again further, using tape for a following teams contest is considered a non-issue because the specific tape was being done for a specific game. Stealing is allowed and condoned by the NFL and done by all teams so that part is really a mute point. All the past incidents are innuendo and cannot be proven. Whereas all teams legally "cheat" in the NFL, you can't single out BB as a "cheater". Wicked, nasty attempted filmer, yes.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    this is exactly why i think this whole issue will be dropped with no penalties
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    i believe they said they were reading from the "league bylaws" does anybody know how that relates to the memo that was sent out last month? wasn't that pretty explicit that you couldn't record at all, period?

    are the bylaws online?
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    Does anybody have a copy of the rule......this could be the point.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    Miguel has a link on a stickied thread three from the top.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    a memo is just that, a memo... the official rules are all that matters in this case
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    There's so many different things, it's tough to say for sure. The stuff from yesterday was from some Gametime Operations Manual or some such nonsense.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    don't kid yourselves folks. This will be ugly
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    Can't be used................ Immediatly gives wiggle room for the "we were just taping, not for IN-GAME use" excuse. Granted, he will still say it's a violation perhaps.......
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    You know what headline would be worth all this crap:

    GOODELL ISSUES APOLOGY TO PATRIOTS
    Pats did not violate rules, Commissioner says


    Then......as for Hines Ward, LT, Strahan, Jack Del Rio, Tomlin......

    RUN
    AND
    HIDE.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    I'm wrong about the NFL speaking with forked tongue. Apparently, my issues with the Miami game last year are irrelevant, if this is indeed the clarification. I beat that horse to death the last few days. But if the prohibition is only about using the tape in game, then clearly the NFL was right to say the Dolphins were well within the rules.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    We may still get slapped for actually having the camera on-field though. As long as it's clarified that we did not violate rules when it comes to cheating.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    WWWWOOOOWWWW! If this is true.....how much crow will all of the naysayers in the media have to eat over this one! Thats awesome. BB needs to dig up a recipe for some crow pie, bake up about 20 of them and send them to ESPN, Mike Tomlin, LT,......hell he may have to set up a crow pie factory! That is as long as it is not a voilation of league rules.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    that is definately what was said on weei...during the play of the game. there may be some other bylaws that are different....
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    Please post the "cheating" rules. I am not aware of any.

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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    Goodell is a lawyer.

    It is surely the case that in HIS opinion, whatever memo was sent out closed the loopholes.

    If BB can prove that his actions would not have been punishable were it NOT for the memo, then the punishment for this may wind up being pretty light.

    But I stand by my previous belief that Goodell has made it clear there were punishable offenses.

    I'm also guessing that the Pats were NOT stupid enough to tell any lies to Goodell they could possibly get caught on.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    wishfull thinking take it from where it came the big fat show
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    Please note that weei is local media that is supporting the patriots.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    "Taping signals"...whatever.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    only the big show is supporting the pats and holley a bit....all the others are very anti pats
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    I don't think the pats will be exonerated and i think they are going to get penalized for breaking a rule. but i think NE is going to make a pretty compelling case that they were not "cheating" as has been pinned on them in this rush to judgment.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    Has there been an official statement from the league office yet saying the Patriots did anything wrong? Has the Commissioner issued an official statement telling us the Patriots have been found guilty of cheating or breaking the rules? I have seen sooo many statements quoting sources and the like, I just haven't seen any official quotes.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    Do you think they MADE UP the memo they just read verbatim???? WTF.

    The memo was unclear...... and left wiggle room for BB to say -

    "we never intended to use the tape for during the game. We tape everyone and then, as part of analysis post-game, we see if there is any usable stuff for us to use later down the road. I was under the impression that that was fine, so long as we did not use it during that game, which we had no intention of doing. Is that wrong?"

    Goodell will HAVE to take that into account because the MEMO leaves a little bit of wiggle room. It should just say "YOU CANNOT VIDEO TAPE DEFENSIVE SIGNALS, PERIOD." Then it's clear.

    It's hard to come down too hard on that................
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    they just reread it.

    sounds like they had it wrong the first time. it says "...that might aid a team in the playing of a game."

    still vague. but not a smoking gun.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    It should have said that TEAMS can NOT have video taping/ playing equipment on the sidelines, field, coaches booth, or in the lockerroom. And that NFL Security will spot check those areas to ensure that is the case.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    Shoulda/coulda/woulda don't mean squat.

    What DID it say is what's important. If it's worded the way that they just read, there is significant room for BB to plead "I thought we were okay". They may say no, but it certainly takes care of the "cheating" angle.
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    Re: listen to big show now..weei

    That is the point I've been making all along. If the Pats are known violators of this rule, wouldn't NFL security at every Pats game check for cameras BEFORE KICKOFF? Not like the Pats were trying to be sneaky about this.

    I'm getting the impression that Goodell didn't think this activity was a major issue and didn't put much focus on it beyond the memo...kinda like a memo to remind players not to wear Vitamin Water hats at press conferences. Important to keep track of but not worth having NFL security become fashion police and certainly not affecting the competitive nature of the sport (besides the negative appearances to the masses).

    Now his league is front page news again for the wrong reasons. He might take his frustration out on the Pats, but I'm thinking his relationship with Kraft is more important than that. I also believe Kraft will try to work with Goodell to help him put this issue to bed...maybe agreeing to a "punishment" since the Pats certainly weren't above board with this whole situation.
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