Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by broadwayjoe, Feb 25, 2006.
Bah! They have Rodney listed.
Just because of that, I just whipped up a new Rodney avatar.
Yeah you can bet its going to be Starks already and Poole my man Rodney
is the heart of the secondary.
I'm going to get back on my Chris Clairborne bandwagon if he becomes available. I'm not sure what his injury status is, however I've always thought he'd be a good fit for us and he does have some versatility.
I'm with Pats1 100% on this one...... Harrison a cap cut?!? NO WAY. If he can play he's on the team, if he can't comeback to an effective level he'll retire. Done! :rocker:
They left McGinest off the Pat's list and he is the second most obvious cut possibility of all...
ESPN even mentions in a different article about how Willie could be cut.
Micheal Pittman? If he gets shown the door then sign him up NOW.
No chance. He badly fails the Bob Kraft no criminals test. 3 Domestic violence convictions.
They can't cut Rodney. They just can't. If he is back fron the injury he's better than anyone that they will pick up in FA or the draft.
If they need an extra 1mil cap space then Russ Hors is the better cut. We can draft a gaurd/center to fill his spot.
If Buffalo cuts Adams, there is your perfect back-up for Wilfork. Plus of course another son-of-a patriot. I say BB would bring him in in a heartbeat.
WEEI reported this morning the Pats cut Starks.
Willie McGinest will not get his bonus. And with the CBA in a state of uncertainty, you can bet he won't be on the roster by the end of next week. Too bad, because he can still get after it when not having to play the whole 60-minutes.
I still think he'll be back, ala Troy Brown. He won't get big money from Cleveland or NYJ. But Oakland could always spring a surprise.
How does Corey Dillon fit into that equation?
Mcginest in a raiders uniform? Id be tempted to shoot myself. IMO Chad Brown and Tyrone Poole need to go. Release Mcginest after letting him know you're going to resign him, get an agreement. Release those other two gentleman, and we'll have some space.
Who is the numb nuts that put Rodney on that list?? If they cut Rodney they save nothing. NOTHING!!!
EDIT: They would save $643,000 for you nit pickers out there, which for a guy like Rodney is NOTHING!!
These G-damn media outlets should have some facts before they publish such crap.:enranged:
They apparently know more about the pats than you do. We are NOT cutting one of the top linebackers in the league, and the heart and soul of the defense.
Cutting Chad before the roster bonus is due only saves $575 k.
regardless of how much we save, he needs to go. Our lb corps is far too old to keep an underachieving old man on board. if we lose bruschi again, for any reason whatsoever, then we are in trouble. Brown Didnt do jack, he looked lost and confused all season long.
Friend Lawyer Malloy is on the bubble again. Only this time, he probably knows it. Can you imagine Tebucky Jones with a cap hit of 6.8M ?? ??
According to Miguels cap page we would save 1mil cuttting C Brown. The cap hit being $262,000.
He actually has it as a $700 k net save - factoring in the fact that the roster bonus won't be paid.
So..you'd rather have Eric Alexander as a backup LB than Chad Brown.
178 career NFL games to 4 career NFL games (or 0 if you see Ryan Claridge in there instead of Alexander for Brown).
People need to lay off the guy. He was a speed-rushing OLB, and a damn good one at that, in his days with Seattle. The Pats expected him to be what Colvin was last year - the 3rd OLB. He was signed after Bruschi's stroke, but before Ted Johnson's retirement. Until Bruschi came back, Brown was the #1 MLB, a position he never held in his career. When Bruschi returned and Vrabel was moved inside, Brown was put back into the role the Patriots wanted him in. Thus, he started to perform fairly well near the end of the season and into the playoffs - at OLB.
The same can be said about Beisel. Surely, the Pats didn't see him starting at MLB for the first time in his career to start the season, in his first year with a new team. That's suicide for 99% of players. Expecting him to be a legitimate starter after a conversion while still learning a new defense is absolutely crazy. Now the Pats have him back in the desired role - learning behind Vrabel and Bruschi at MLB.
I'm not sure who you're refering to but if it's McGinest than it's all about the money. His cap # is about $8.5M. They will not give him the roster bonus he's due next week. He would've signed a restructured deal by now but with the new CBA in doubt there's no way they can do anything with anyone unless it's for small money.
I'm with you. I like what Brown can do as a pass rushing OLB. He could even play McG's role to spell him. Belichick, out of necessity, tried to fit a square peg into a round hole. I also thought it was a good idea at the time, but it seems age and/or contact has dulled Brown's reflexes to play on the inside. But at the end of the season, I noticed him making some plays.
He's much more productive than TBC on the outside.
Even after a whole season of coaching and practice, he was essentially worthless. In the final game he made one decent play moving across and stopping a sweep run when McGinest got sealed. But even then there was a 4 yard gain and if Bruschi were there instead it would probably have gone for almost no gain. It's hard to believe - but if you watch slow motion replays - Beisel actually hops out the way to avoid making contact when he could assist in a tackle to hold down a gain. And on a goal line play, he actually moved parallel to the runner instead of charging into him to see if he could stop him before he got to the goal line. There is more, but I'll not get into that. His instincts are simply worthless - imho he is absolutely uncoachable to do anything of value. Which is of considerable dismay to me because I really thought the Patriots might have stolen another real performer. He won't make it onto the final 53 man roster and I wouldn't be surprised to see him cut much before that if they need room for someone else.
I too put the "P" label on Beisel in regard to his attitude playing vs. the run. It was evident every time he got on the field.
Heart and soul of the defense? This is what you said about Milloy.
Who comes up with these lists? Seriously. The Ravens just signed Keydrick Vincent last season. Why would they cut him already? He played decently enough for them.
Players whom I would like the Patriots to look at if they were cut would include:
Brandon Short - LB
Mike Green - S
Seth Payne - NT
Eric Moulds - WR
Jimmy Smith - WR
Chris Bober - OL
Sam Madison - CB
Shelton Quarles - LB
Corey doesn't because he was never convicted of domestic violence. Only charged. And the charges were reduced to a misdemeanor.
I agree with Beisel. But it's a helluva lot different when, as he was in KC, a special teams ace and backup OLB/DE. MLB takes a lot more mind over athleticism. However, from what I saw watching the tape, Bruschi still had the drive, but he was a bit less effective than in the past. Was pushed to his knees by OGs many, many times.
Brown was seen rarely out on the field, though, after Bruschi got back. He made some nice plays when he was out there.
This is BS. The Pats could have resigned McGinest by now with a deal for a 6-7 million SB that reduced his salary to the vet minimum. That would reduce McGinest cap hit by 4 million and still give McGinest the same pay he'd get this year with the roster bonus.
Sorry, but you are wrong on Beisel. Totally wrong. But you will learn.
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