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  1. RayClay

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    I do trust in BB. Yes I do.

    But what's up with the linebackers? When I said Beisel wasn't that great last year the cry was "Claridge is our future at ILB!"

    Now?

    It's obviously a talent deficit compared to McGinest barring a big acquisition.

    Now I realized that Matt Chatham would be way up on the depth chart on this team.

    I'm afraid of overcoming the loss of Chatham? Somethings wrong.

    Besides our three liebackers we have:

    Special teamer TBC. If he was ready for primetime, why not when Bruschi was out?

    Beisel? Let's face it he sucked much of last year. Apparently played well towards the end.

    Chad Brown-See Beisel

    Mincey?- The Pats picked a kicker and a TE who's too small to play TE before him. They did get a good value Lineman, but the fact is they had 2 #4's and a #5 and they still waited til the 190th pick. I hope he works out, but You aren't expecting to replace a McGinest with that lack of urgency.

    What we have left is a few guys that weren't good enought to be drafted.

    I know, draft position desn't prove anything, but let's face it teams are grasping at straws in the 6th and seventh. We had three 6th and a 7th. We probably drafted at least one guy that won't make the team. If we "had to have" Roach wouldn't we have drafted him?

    Some guy named Gardner nobody seems enthusiastic about. Eric Alexander is a nice guy by all accounts and has actually been on the team at various points.

    I think the rest are career special teamers, (unlike TBC, I hope).

    C'mon, tell me I'm wrong. Or tell me we're making a late acquisition.
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    If there was a problem, it would have been fixed by now.

    No need to panic.
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    The problem is it's the same cast of characters as last year -- minus Willie. I don't see how anybody could look at the possibility of Beisel and Chad Brown taking significant snaps on this defense when the injury bug hits as a good thing based on what we saw last year. Beisel has some upside. He could be vastly improved. The emphasis on could. But Brown is what he is.

    Maybe they can bring back Starks and Poole for the trifecta.
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    I hear they are clearing room on IR for those two as we speak!
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    Is it time to bust out the 4-3 threads? LOL
    I'm thinking weird stuff going on is better than nothing going on.
    What's your favorite Kool-Aid flavor? LOL
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    Too late. Al Davis already wrapped up both of them.

    As I just said - Beioli have, are, and will make sure this team is fully prepared to win it all. Everything won't happen overnight, so let's wait until December - or better yet never - to panic.
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    Okay, you're wrong.

    But i dunno why.

    Here, have some more of my kool-aid ... i got plenty.
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    We want a blend of youth and experience at linebacker, not to mention versatility. Chad is experienced, he also learned a lot last season as did Beisel - lest we forget, that is how BB develops players and I have this unreasonable confidence in Dean Pees as a sneaky, offense befuddling DC.

    Now as to panic: BB got this team to the divisional round with two green coordinators and a handful or two of major injuries. We have a fresh start with plenty of talent and experienced coordinators, things could be worse. :D
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    It's legitimate to question if we've shored up the position. Hell knows I don't really panic as we have the best personnel team going.

    Personally, I think there's a late pickup brewing. If everyone's healthy I think our talent has gone way down hill at LB.

    With injuries? I don't want to think about it.:bricks:
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    Well returning cast

    Starters
    Vrabel
    Bruschi
    Beisel
    Colvin

    Backups
    TBC
    Brown
    Alexander
    Chatham
    Izzo
    Davis

    New Faces
    Roach
    Mincey

    That's 12 linebackers and I'm sure I'm missing some more. I don't see what the panic is about. :confused:
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    Besides the starters the one most ready to step up is probably Chatham.

    Unfortunately he's been gone for a while.:rolleyes:

    Yes we do have a lot of special teamers and low and no draft picks at LB. What's your point?
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    + Gardner from the Jets. Now I am not saying all these back ups are fantastic, but I agree we have quite a lot.

    But Chatam is with the Jets.............
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    Ah, Ray.
    Dja see that we signed ol' Chad?

    You must be prescient.

    Or doesn't Chad qualify?
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    Not a retread, a pickup.:D
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    Nothing to worry about, six letters: K-L-E-C-K-O ;
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    He's been saving himself for just this opportunity!

    :scared:
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    If Klecko can't make it as an ILB, then he can't make it, period.
    He is not explosive enough as an OLB, and not large enough as a 3-4 DL.
    Izzo and/or Davis as backups? Please. They're not even good STers anymore. The sooner they're both cut, the better.
    According to KFFL and Scout.com, the list of available LBs include:
    Chris Claiborne, Earl Holmes, Rocky Calmus, Junior Seau, Orlando Ruff --ILB
    Peter Boulware, Quinton Caver, Greg Favors, DeLawrence Grant, Nick Rogers --OLB
    If you were the FO, whom, if any, would you call?
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    That's nothing to panic about, but it gives you good reason to be concerned. Our current depth at LB is obviously nothing to be envy of. We are relying on too many inexperienced bodies (Tbc, Alexander, the rookies), while giving crucial PT to dubious players such as Beisel and Brown. Izzo and Davis will always be STers.
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    Whose panicking? I'll never understand why legitimate discussion of a team's weaknesses equates with panic.

    These little discusions are part of the progression of a new season. In October we'll be talking about something else, but for now, this is where we are.

    Or we could all just sit around and blow smoke up our asses and talk about what a world beater Chad Brown is.....
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    Chatham is a J-E-T...
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    And I'll be there in October too.

    Remember my "I'm still highly optimistic" thread after the K.C. game?

    (It started out "Give it some time. Stay away from the bridges, stand under the sky and feel safe.")

    :singing:
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    we're doomed
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    No, say it with some spirit:

    WE'RE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED.

    There ya go.

    ...Now it's time for me to get ready and head down to the razor.
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    personally i agree with Seymour93, SoonerPatriot and Ray Clay.

    i never have panicked about the Patriots ad i will not start today but there is a reason to be a little bit concerned at LB position.

    imho behind the 4 expected starters there are only much more 'hopes' then 'securities'

    but i am 100% sure that our friends BB and SP knows better then us and i am confident the Patriots will be ok at the starting day of the regular season
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    To say this is not a problem would be an oversight. The important thing to see is it a problem right now, or will it be a problem in the future.

    Is it a problem right now? Maybe.
    At the begining of last year it was evident that something was wrong. It only got worse when Seymour got injured while moonlighting as a FB. However once Bruschi came back and seymour got healthy the unit definatly began to get better. Did they meet expectation? No. Were they effective enough to win games? Yes. With the same supporting cast coming back you can probably expect them to be either about the same or better. So should this be worried about this year? No, Unless there is an injury to a starter, and then there is plenty to be concerned about.

    Is it a problem in the Years to come? Yes.
    No matter how good a player is the facts are that one day they will need to be replaced. And it's best to do it in a gradual way so that there is some continuity in the group. If you don't Think BB worries about this then you are delluding yourself. You don't bring 20 LB's to camp in 2005 if your not worried about the unit. As it is BB has to be looking for replacements for Bruschi in 2-3 years and vrabel in 3-4 years based on their age. Even if you don't agree with this you will agree that you need competant back-ups at each LB position. BB has shown great control by not "reaching" for payers in the draft so as not to draft for need. Honestly it's just harder to find good players when more teams are also looking for the same type of guys. Compound that with the fact that most college teams run the 4-3 and the amount of talent is further stretched.

    The fact is that BB needs some LB's and he has not been able to get them so far. In the end BB may be forsed to either "reach" or even "overpay" to get in some talent that definatly will be needed. Or if he is patient he may get someone to just fall right to him...

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