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    If Light goes out, bright talent steps in - The Boston Globe

    Like some have said here, the Matt Light ship has already sailed in NE unless he does a 180 regarding his contract.

    But, with approximately 7 weeks to go before the 2011 season, I think Vollmer will be playing LT unless Solder is just a phenom. Solder to RT.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    Just my opinion of course, but I am not so sure that Solder plays from day one, even at RT. I think that he will have to be blended in just like any other rookie, due to the labor situation.

    Belichick is not afraid to make any move that is best for the team, and I somehow doubt that he sees putting a totally green and raw rookie in on the line to protect Brady from day one as 'what's best for the team.'

    Light's gone in my opinion. It will now depend on Kaczur and his situation/and even possibly Mark LeVoir--who has shown that he can fill in without too much downfall.

    I agree that Vollmer would be the one to take over LT, and that BB would simply plug in either of Kaczur or LeVoir at RT. But I don't see Nate Solder starting anywhere on the line from day one, and that is just fine. He is a long term investment, and part of the future on the line, but that does not mean that Bill is 'forced' to have to start him as raw as he is, especially considering this yr's offseason circumstances.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    Interesting that the AFC execs saw Mallet 'as having a little bit of baby fat' on him, yet we just had a long discussion here about how he looked thin.

    I think that what being 6'7" does for you, although I do agree that he will need some strength training. I bet he's still at 240 easily, he just looks thin at that height (to some).
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    Fans do tend to pick and choose. Light reportedly received what the team deemed a fair offer which he refused. Doesn't mean he or they won't reconsider post lockout for a number of reasons. I agree the team won't extend itself if he has suitors willing to overpay in dollars or years. And the scouts seem to think Solder can start but fans who read early draft pundit assessments now can't fathom that...
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    Vollmer was a rookie. The thing that might hurt for 1st 3 weeks is no Training camps. I have faith Solder can handle his position. We offered Light a fair deal obviously he doesn't want to ride the bench.

    Let him sign elsewhere I did not think we would resign him anyways


    Nate Solder - T - Patriots

    The Boston Globe has spoken with four NFL college scouting directors that all believe first-round pick Nate Solder could start at left tackle from the get-go in 2011.
    There's a very good chance free agent Matt Light will be allowed to depart, which would give New England no choice but to make Solder its blindside protector. For a team where anything less than Super Bowl title is a disappointment, that's a risky proposition.
    Related: Matt Light
    Source: Boston Globe
    Jul 17, 9:10 AM
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    They've cancelled Training camps??

    All he's missed was 14 odd OTA's. He's been here working with the local group Mayo organized, as oddly has Light. And it wouldn't surprise me if Mankins hasn't been part of that group too since as mad as he was last season he never left the Forboro area code...
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    We know the team has reconsidered in the past: BB actually did decide to give Vinatraitor what he was looking for, but a little too late.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    Apparently Rotoworld has never heard of the concept of a "swing tackle." :snob:
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    lol

    Of course they are unbiased.

    Considering Belichick throws around nickels like they were manhole covers, saying the team made a fair offer is the same as saying, we wrote exactly what the team wanted us to instead of investigating.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of paying Light big money at this point in his career, but the team has likely never made an offer big enough to be denominated in US currency, including pennies, that they did not deem fair.

    It would be nice to see the first headline whereby the team announces they have made an unfair offer and can't understand why the player didn't accept it.:D
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    hopefully the CBA is finalized in next few days so they can get to camp. :)


    Solder will be ready for game 1:cool:
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    We've put rookie tackles out there before. I think Solder will be the day one starter at LT and Vollmer at RT. Light will be gone.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    I still don't understand why you continue to make the premise that there is no way that Solder can start at the start of this season. There is just too much evidence that that is not going to be the case.

    1. The personnel executive who stated he was the most pro ready OT in the draft, which is CLEARLY what BB thought when he picked him over guys like Costanzo and Cabrini.

    2. I chuckle at the constant references about his lack of strength. He is now into his 5th month of dedicated strength training since his so called poor performance at the combine (which was, btw, remarkably similar to the strength numbers put up by Mankins and Light) He certainly isn't where he will end up, but he is MUCH stronger than when he was in Feb

    3. As to being ready, Solder is going from being coached by a bad program in Colorado, to one of the top OL coaches in the the NFL. Dante has gotten players like a rookie Matt Light and a jag GRR to be superbowl starting OTs, getting guys like LeVoir and Kazcur ready to start at LT in the NFL, and transforming Volmer from a "drastic reach" to an OT that is about a year away from pro bowl status.

    Solder could be the most physically gifted OLman Dante has ever coached. He seems to have a great attitude, and WANTS to be good. Why is it that so many fans think that some how Dante will NOT be able to get this kid ready to play early on????!!!! Is this the year, Dante suddenly forgets how to coach?

    4. The whole "lockout will keep rookies from being impact players" dirge is a red herring. Think about it. Aside from being in a team organized off season weight program, what have they missed thus far. 5 or 6 OTA practices? Believe me they ALL have the play book. They all have heard the terminology at the BC practices. They ALL have had the ability to work this off season with personal strength coaches

    5. The more I think on it the more it seems Light is a goner. There are simply too many teams out there who could use a guy like Light and have the money to overpay and still have it make sense. The Atlanta situation is a perfect example. KC has money to burn...and will have to make the increased salary FLOOR that is coming. Plus as to moving his family, a lot of guys "commute" and have their families not in the city they play in. And as to him losing off season and after football opportunities in NE, Light can easily spend the next 2 or 3 years elsewhere and come back to NE and still be a lifetime Patriot just like Law, Vrabel, etc.

    Sure it hasn't been ideal, but to think that missing 5 or 6 OTAs means rookies won't be able to contribute is ridiculous. Just ask Jermaine Cunningham who missed over THREE WEEKS of actual TC and still managed to contribute from the first week.

    Granted after this "compelling" defense of Solder as a starter, he might very well not be our opening day starter at LT. It could happen. I just don't think so. JMHO.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    Yah, what precisely was the Patriots so-called "fair offer"? It looks like KC, Tamper and a handful of others are so far under the cap that SOME FAs will get big quickie contracts but many teams will be up against it. KC could be a rest home for Light protecting the Cassell. If not, perhaps something could still be worked out with the Pats if Light is still standing there after a few days of FA.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    First, because the Pats considered it fair, it doesn't mean Light did.

    Second, very few players signed deals before the lockout. Many didn't because they felt that maybe they might get a better deal post lockout with free agency looming.

    In a normal off season, I doubt that Light would have accepted an offer prior to free agency. I do believe his first choice is to stay here and might even take a hometown discount, but I doubt he would take an offer from the Pats (which most likely would be modest and short term) with there being a chance that someone might grossly overpay because they are desperate for a LT and that is their missing piece for a Super Bowl run.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    Keep in mind Vollmer got 7 votes for tackle on the AP All-Pro team (he made second team).

    And remember how that works: each voter gets two votes for tackle, total, left or right. So 7 voters either felt that (A) they wanted one left tackle and one right tackle, and felt Vollmer was the best RT in the game, or (B) felt that Vollmer was one of the two best tackles in football last year.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    This will likely be his last major contract in the NFL. I can't blame him for not taking the Patriots' offer. Other teams should value him more and make significantly better offers. No surprises here.

    I guess this means that the whole cutting Kaczur thing is history then? He probably still won't restructure.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    What's a "fair" offer from Kraft? A nickel, a free shoe shine, and a parking space down at Jonathan City??????
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    It's BB! Who knows! :D
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    Not when you bias the decision with 'totally green and raw' left alone on an island, no.

    But what if you said, BB will put the best offensive line combo on the field? The season isn't starting in July, it is starting in September, and there is plenty of time to find the the best combo. If the best combo of tackles could be Solder and Vollmer, then that is what is best for the team.

    Solder isn't nearly as raw as Vollmer was when Vollmer played LT. BB gave him steady help with a TE next to him.

    We will see.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    Solder is more than capable of starting at LT. All he needs is a little more upper body strength for run blocking, but his pass blocking is more than adequate at this point.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    I think it's interesting that the only thing we previously heard about Matt Light's contract was that the two sides agreed months ago to wait until there was a new CBA before working on a new deal. Now that we're apparently on the doorstep of a new CBA, news comes out that the Pats made an offer and Light turned it down?

    If Light goes out, bright talent steps in - The Boston Globe

    I realize those two things are not mutually exclusive - perhaps the two sides were negotiating, couldn't come to terms, and then both agreed to wait until the new CBA was in place rather than to continue negotiating. However, I do find it odd that we only find out now that an offer was previously placed on the table; there was zero indication that happened before.

    So why is that information coming out now? Is it a way of prepping for negotiations between the two sides? Or is it the first part of a public relations campaign by the Pats? Perhaps they know that it is inevitable that they will soon lose one of their most popular veterans, and this is the first subtle message being sent out that they imply 'hey, we tried to sign; we wanted him back; we were on the up-and-up and made him a fair offer; don't blame us'.

    Now I have no evidence to prove that is the case, but let's face it: over the years the Pats have taken a beating in the court of public opinion from the media and fans for letting several veterans go, and many of their contract negotiations with veteran players have become ugly. Besides the media and the fans, they may want to smooth things over with other players like Tom Brady if Light - let's not forget he's the team's player rep - is not coming back too. And I'm not saying they were wrong to let players like Vrabel, Vinatieri, McGinest, Law, Samuel or others leave; in fact, more often than not it turned out to be the right decision. I just think the organization has at times used the media for their benefit, and that the timing of this information - presumably just a few days before free agency starts and Light could be re-signed - is more than a coincidence.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    I agree "fair" is a subjective concept, so I am not going to bash Light for rejecting an offer viewed as "fair" by the team if that in fact is the case. I also believe the offensive line has benefited substantially from coaching, and much of the success has to do with coaching on how to block defenses far superior to any college defense. Maybe the new linemen can do the job, but I wouldn't count on it. Brady will likely pay the price for their on-the-job training if the Pats throw rookies on the line.

    He is not perfect, but Light still can do the job and he knows how to work with the other linemen. I hope he stays while the new blood learns the game in the NFL. However, if he demands a contract that breaks the bank, then his insurance value is probably not worth the cost.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    "Light received what the Patriots considered a fair offer" is not new news. It is rehashing and recategorizing the reports from the time that they had preliminary discussions and both sides agree to wait until after the new CBA was agreed to.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    They have.

    But times have changed. Id hate to see Brady get killed while Solder learns on the job.
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    What Lifer said ... can't blame Light for going for the most he can get.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    I can't imagine spending time on a fan message board - let alone one devoted to the winningest team in the decade - essentially waiting for the opportunity to spew venom.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    Pats have already said that have no intention of playing Solder at RT..
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    I'm sorry, maybe I missed something but this link doesn't seem to contain any information that Light declined a fair offer?
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    "According to a source close to the negotiations, the Patriots made what they deemed to be a fair offer to Light before the lockout started. It was rejected"

    Link is to page 2. Quote is from page one of the article.
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    Re: Light recieved a fair offer which he refused

    sure you can...IF you're a near brain dead, crazed with jealousy, green miscreant with a rap sheet for rape,drunk driving, dead beat dadding,tripping,toe sucking,lying and hallucinating.

    Just look at it this way...this clown is only here because the nice men in the white coats haven't found him and put a strait jacket on him yet.
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