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  1. RayClay

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    That's what a sprained ankle is.

    Reports of ligament damage mean the reporter wants to seem like he's saying something. If he didn't have ligament damage, he wouldn't have a sprained ankle.

    That is all.
     
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    Exactly correct. That's what even the slightest ankle sprain is - ligament damage. Naturally, the severity of the sprain is equal to the severity of the ligament damage. That revelation has been treated as if it's some sort of shockingly serious news. A slow media day.
     
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    Just trying to stir the pot and get some hits by using Ligament damage. It sounds really bad, much worse than Sprained Ankle
     
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    When I saw where his foot was in relation to his leg, I immediately diagnosed ligament damage and I'm not even an M.D. I do have a white lab coat, though.:D
     
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    I've had a group of guys in white lab coats take me away a couple of times...but only for a few days, or so...
     
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    If we're going to be objective about this, how limited do we think he's going to be? I know there's no way of saying for sure, given we don't know much about how bad it was sprained. But he limped badly off the field, clutched his leg in pain, came back in for a few plays, and then was wearing a boot later that night. Given that he's a guy who plays nearly every offensive snap of the game, and is in on the wedge for kick returns, just how "limited" should we expect 11 days from now? Will he still be able to make cuts, sprint, and block if its a minor high ankle sprain?
     
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    I would think that unless he's at full strength (which is unlikely unless he truly is a cyborg), I would not put him on special teams. Let other guys handle that duty and just have him in for the offense.
     
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    I posted this on another thread and it is part of a Gronk report on rotoworld.com

    All sprains damage the ligament to varying degrees, so it may still be minor. Gronk has two weeks of the finest medical care available, though there's still a good chance he won't be working at full capacity in the Super Bowl. Coach Bill Belichick was predictably unforthcoming when asked about Gronk's condition, offering only, "We'll see how it goes with Rob ... when we get back on the field. It's hard to gauge injuries." Jan 24 - 3:52 PM

    Personally, I think that he will be fine forthe SB.
     
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    The OP is right. A sprained foot or ankle is defined by some degree of ligament damage. I guess the issue is what kind of ligament damage.

    I'm kind of up on the topic since one of my kids badly sprained his foot about ten days ago, rolling over on it while running, pretty much the same as Rob did (without the benefit of a 300 pound guy falling on it at the same time); yes, it was hard to watch. Like Rob in Boston, we're privileged to have access to the best medical care in New York, at the Hospital for Special Surgery.

    My son was put in a hard cast for a few days just to be sure he didn't use it (young boys don't necessarily do what the doctor tells them...surprise, surprise) and is now in a walking boot, like Gronkowski's.

    As it was explained to us by the orthopods at HSS, there are three "degrees" of foot and ankle sprains, depending on the damage done to the fibers in the ligament.

    One is relatively mild and usually just wrapped in an Ace bandage, Two is bad with a lot of pain but not torn and is put in a boot, Three is torn, frequently needing surgery, and is casted or put in a boot.

    My son's was a "Two."

    After ruling out a break via an old-fashioned X-ray, they can pretty well diagnose a "Three" through visual inspection since a torn ligament not only swells the foot badly but also turns it black and blue. If they think there's a reasonable chance that it's torn, then they will do an MRI to confirm the diagnosis prior to surgery. They put my son on a "Nothing By Mouth" for a couple of hours until they were sure they weren't going to have to operate.

    Since the Patriots are so forthcoming with injury information :rolleyes:, we really can't know which it is. But, as a layman, I'd be surprised if he tore it. Probably "just" a very bad strain.

    My son isn't a world-class athlete (but don't tell him that!), so I wouldn't try to compare the recovery process or time. He won't be able to fully walk on it for another two weeks, or about a month after the event.

    Hope that helps.
     
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    I think you would probably have to cut off his whole foot for him not to be able to play in the Superbowl.. 1/2 a Gronk is better than most TE's in this league.
     
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    Brady in the AFCCG against the Squeelers turned his ankle and didn't return to that game. He looked a lot like Gronk being helped off the field that day. But a week later he started and won SB36. Here's to hoping for a similar performance.
     
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    Ligament damage in an ankle typically happens when the ankle rolls in the opposite direction from where gronks ankle turned......in order to stretch the ligaments, you need to roll the ankle to the outside and pollard caused the ankle to the inside.

    first and most importantly, we are all so lucky that it wasn't the knee.....on a move like that, it is what is more typical

    second, if he is suffering from anything, it was a compression of the ligament which is painful, but there's not much damage to recover from.......he's not going to have the nasty blue marks, and it should not swell too badly, so therapy will be easier.

    I think he will be 100% or very close to it........don't be suprised if the pats make the world believe it is worse than it really is.....its a good opportunity for that
     
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    I'll assume you're an orthopedist and bow to you, but my understanding is that the fibular and related ligaments on top of the foot can be strained in either direction.
     
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    I'm not, but between football and basketball, I've had both happen and have had it explained to me a million times. what is more likely in the way gronks ankle was turned is a fracture.

    you are right that the ligaments can still strain, as there is a ligament on the inside. I guess a more accurate point would be that the the nature of gronks injury while equally painful, is less likely to affect performance as the ligaments on the outside are the ones that are more important to the needs of a football player
     
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    You can rest assure (Giant Fan) Bernard Pollard is hoping that Gronk's ankle injury is only minor.
     
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    As stated prior with any multi-articulated joint (wrist or ankle) any injury to them will involve a ligament. I've given up on predicting how serious the injury was or wasn't when it comes to players. The only fairly obvious one is an ACL tear. I'll wait to see the medical reports on Gronk as we get closer to the SB. But BB will like keep everyone guessing as it will screw with the Giants preparation. If you want to compare Gronk's injury to anything, Roethlisberger was in serious pain even after his trip to the locker room. I didn't see Gronk hobble around like that after his trip. Either we have better medical staff, or it was less severe of an injury.
     
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    The pics of the party after the game say it isn't that bad. With 2 weeks to go, he will be fine (or as close to fine as any NFL player can be after 18 games).
     
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    Gronk will be limited like Ed Reed was limited last week. :rolleyes:

    Seriously...... It's gonna be a long week of BS reports and outright false reporting on everything from injury statuses to whether the scoreboard operator was part of some belichickian conspiracy theory. :cool:

    I would suggest ignoring the bulk of the media for the next 1.5 weeks.
     
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    People using big words to scare people. I learned one too....

    The New England Patriots defense is one of the only two NFL defenses in the NFL in 2011 to suffer from Simpson's Paradox or the Yule-Simpson effect which made them allow a lot of yards.

    Quick, someone write an article and title it: "Pats D suffers from Simpson's Paradox.":D
     
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