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Lieberman and Brown to to strip terrorism suspects of their US citizenship

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    #18 Jersey

    and what, pray-tell, is it about what this country is "all about" would make this a bad law?

    I've never read any article that says, "Freedom to be a terrorist..."

    I LOVE the idea myself....
     
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    Habeus Corpus, dude. These are just suspects. They haven't been proven to have done anything yet, and yet Herrs Lieberman and Brown, et al, (including Pelosi) want to revoke their citizenship, possibly for nothing. The idea that you are in love with is extending unconstitutional powers to a state that is inching closer and closer to being a police state, all in the name of fighting terrorism, is appalling.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Maybe we should just be pre-emptive and put a moratorium on granting citizenship at all. Close all our borders - refuse all immigrants. No more Hispanics to swell our welfare rolls, no more Muslims to bomb our buildings, no more Canadians or Scandanavians expecting to find National Health Care. Of course there will be no more Einsteins and no more Madeleine Albrights. No more Joseph Pulitzers or Mother Cabrinis. Forget about Admirals like Hyman Rickover or authors like Rudyard Kipling. No matter, who needs 'em, right? It's not like they, or any other immigrant, ever contributed anything important.

    Start tapping the phones and bugging the computers of those already here - but, hey, why stop there? Do it to those who've been born in the country as well. How much harder can it be once you've gotten started? At the first suspicious word - revoke their citizenship, too. Don't let immigrants buy guns. Don't let people who've become citizens buy guns. Don't let the children of naturalized citizens buy guns. Or their aunts or uncles or cousins, either. Family ties run deep - can't be too careful. Start eliminating their friends, too. You never know who's going to loan a friend a firearm.

    Think of the criminals we could catch - crimes, even crimes of terrorism,aren't solely the baliwick of newcomers, yanno. Why suspect only foreigners when you can suspect everyone? Wouldn't that make even more sense? The broader you cast your net the more fish you pull in at the end of the day.
     
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    Kill them......
     
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    Heh. Did you know that we have Nazi Germany to thank for being first to the moon? Werner von Braun, y'all, and the Saturn V.
     
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    They want to kill us.......
     
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    There are also some due process issues, we can't even figure out how to try the dudes in Guantanamo.. now we want to take away their citizenship, to what end?? So everyone can feel better... just more crap to clog up courts..

    Cool heads need to prevail, not just and knee jerk reaction..
     
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    I'm not familiar with the old law they are referring to. I'll say that I do like the general intent of the proposal. I'm not so sure I like the idea of stripping "suspects" of their citizenship. Convicted terrorists I'd be open to.

    I'd have to learn more about the specifics before offering a thumbs up, or thumbs down. I will say that the dude they recently arrested, the Pakastani who just got his citizenship last year, should have his revoked ASAP. In cases like that, count me in as a yes.
     
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    What if he or a hypothetical person in a similar situation wound up being innocent? It happens, you know.
     
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    #12 Jersey

    Return their citizen status? Convicted criminals occasionally are found to be innocent and are their convictions are overturned. Unfortunately it happens but the laws that they were convicted of breaking aren't eliminated as the solution. I agree though that suspects should not be stripped of their citizenship.
     
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    But you would have stripped an innocent man of all of his constitutional rights during his trial, if there even was a trial since he didn't have a right to one any more. I don't think that's good enough, and it's ripe for abuse.
     
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    I'm not going to deal in hypotheticals, since I already made clear that I need more specifics about the bill. My only point is that this Times Sq dude, who admitted his guilt apparently, and just became a citizen last year, would be someone who's citizenship I'd have no problem revoking.
     
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    The history of law enforcement is rife with concrete examples of false confessions. I'm not saying that happened here, but you have to account for the possibility that it could happen. I don't think it's as hypothetical as you suggest.
     
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    #91 Jersey

    Its one of the most absurd things i've ever heard. Someones citizenship is striped because they MIGHT have done something wrong BEFORE they're convicted. Libermans citizenship should be striped for being such a douch bag.
     
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    PR, when I get in power, I shall deem you a Terrorist SUSPECT, not a proven terrorist, just a Suspect, and you shall be escorted to the border by my friendly Homeland Defense Goons... Good bye problem citizen...

    This is a HORRID bill... and it will only be used wrongly.

    Convicted Terrorists can be stripped of their citizenship...

    Supporting this bill is the worst form of government big brother abuse of power that the founding fathers tried to limit. Your support fo this is astounding to be frank.
     
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    #12 Jersey

    Any law is ripe for abuse but maybe more so with terror suspects. I mean over-zealous DA's abuse their power to get convictions in higher profile cases. I think though that real terroists, foriegn or domestic count on the protections afforded by citizenship and perhaps that's what this bill is about. I'm inclined to think convicted terrorists don't deserve all those protections.....maybe some kind of out clause for new evidence that would overturn a conviction or something. It doesn't have to be all or nothing does it?
     
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    I think they should just be shot as traitors.
     
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    Want to stop many terrorists from coming here. Make a law that Revokes all foreign Student Visas, Green Cards, Etc... from relatives of know convicted terrorist within 2 links away.

    So if Maruk Flalalalabad blows up a bus, then none of his cousins, or 2nd cousins, or anyone related to him within 2 links can ever come to America.

    Have a smart younger cousin in America learning to become an engineer... If their future is on the line... might make you a bit hesitant on performing an act of terror. The Pressure from the family would be better than any policing we could do.
     
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