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  1. Holy Diver

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    with all the conservative posters here. I wanted to pose the question.

    Who, in your opinion, threatens American society more...Liberals or Terrorists?









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    Um, I'm going to go waaaaay out on a limb here and say terrorists. I'm also going to disagree and say the other conservative posters are going to be of the same mind on this one. I think a MUCH more appropriate question would be who liberals would say is more of a threat, terrorists or right-wingers that limit their freedoms and involve the US in unjust/illegal wars (that's speaking from their perspective, based on my reading here, not my opinions). I would wager that some on the other side of the aisle would find that a much more compelling question than the one you raise.
     
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    liberal terrorists scare the hell out of me!
     
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    Can I say all extremists do? :D

    It's a baiting question because I think it's pitting only one political extreme versus a public enemy. IMO I think liberals do, but I also think that far right neo-conservatives are just as detrimental to society as those libs. Terrorists will succeed in killing civilians like the WTC, the Embassy in Kenya & Tanzania, SA in '96, etc...but far right/left loons on the extreme end of our own society will destroy our culture, rights, and our way of life. Their damage is longer lasting (with exception obviously to victims of terrorism), and affects everybody. I don't say this because I don't think terrorism isn't a serious danger. I say this because I think the extreme tards in this country could destroy us more.
     
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    If we take this question seriously, we can substitute "Conservatives" for "Liberals," and the result will be the same:

    Taking this question seriously constitutes abandoning what we love about America. This country is built on a leap of faith, that we can tolerate a range of political points of view.

    Deciding our legitimate (if distasteful) opposition is a threat to "America," negates any America that is worth worrying about.

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    I believe we are in a different age and time than when America was founded, starting some 400 years ago. Back then we needed to establish a nation that respected each person's right to worship without a corrupt monarchy telling us what to believe; thus, toleration -- "liberalism" -- was necessary. The only way to get along was to tolerate the quirks and foibles of one another. Yet, lest we foolishly forget, the folks who landed at Plymouth went there in search of religious freedom, first and foremost, not worship the devil, or to return to paganism, or to start a free-sex cult; they came to America to found a new culture that was more faithful and loyal to God than what they could practice in Europe at that time.

    In many ways that call for tolerance is still needed today, but at the same time we must learn from our mistakes. As BB's mantra says: "We need to keep getting better." [why this current Pats team is so special, imo]

    We have seen that some behaviors are just no healthy: smoking, excessive drinking, reckless driving, eating too much (gluttony), and now we need to wake up to the fact that unnatural and uncommitted sex is as lethal as any of the above, and even more lethal to our psychological (spiritual) health than to our bodies.

    As the evidence mounts, and as the suppression of such evidence lifts, we will all come to know that we need love that is full, complete, unchanging, and absolute. The only place to find that is in a natural family that is built upon such principles.

    The time for experimentation is over. We have tried just about everything there is, and the tragic, unacceptable, and completely avoidable results of disappeared and abused children, violence between spouses, and even the loathsome act of incest -- all of these prove without a doubt that we need to make proper order out of our search for love. It needs to be an order that all can identify and which is applied to all, without exception. We are of one origin, one life, and one love. We need to be as one. In unity there is strength and ultimate fulfillment; in division there is weakness and decline. We need to live for the sake of a healthy unified whole society/nation/world every day.


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    I find your religious sermons ironic, lets pose a question here. If you are in Vilnius recruiting for Father Moonie and a young maiden is converted, then you pick her a mate for life.. how is this not the same thing that you speak of above?? Denying a person the most basic choice they make in their adult life is unconscienable. In some societies this is called victimization, to recruit a breeder to be brought into a home of a man who she has no choice about, some call this pedophilia. Can never understand how you can get on your soap box and preach about what you believe in, however can never answer this basic question.

    The issue is religious extremism, extremism in any form political, religious is a big issue in this country and one of the basis of our foreign policy.. it is wrong pure and simple, and has gotten us into deep s.. t.

    STOP F...ING PREACHING TO US, WE WILL NOT BE CONVERTED TO YOUR RELIGION...
     
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    I'll stop talking about the political issue of porn, sex ed for 6 year olds in school, rape, murder, and all other violence rooted in self-centered sexual acting out, as soon as it stops.


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    Thats a tough one.
     
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    SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX,.....
    Whazzup wit dat?
     
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    :singing: Here's a good one about sex, "Lovely" Whoopi Goldberg said on public TV (the view) that she would like to have sex with Nancy Pelosi & Nancy's Husband now by God there's a good democrat for you they're obsessed with sex those Hollywood Democrats, Whoopi wants a little three way orgy with Auntie Pelosi and Auntie's Husband.

    Imagine after a weekend of drinking waking up at 6:00 AM and finding Whoopi Goldberg in bed with you, that would even scare the sh!t out of Billy Blue Dress.
    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/
     
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    If God approves and gives you permission, go for it. If not, don't.



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    That's some sick stuff. But, since Bubba got away with it, everybody's going to claim the should be able to; and if you say "No" (especially to a black woman), they will say you are "hypocritical", just a "racist". So you get trapped into allowing it even more. Some sick crap we've allowed into the house. Time to disinfect.



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    I believe God "gave me permission" every time I had sex, with the possible exception of a grudge **** or two.

    I'm now married (if that's the idea,) but honestly, the sex works about the same way, as do the feelings.

    Now then, Fogbuster, if the sermon is over, the fact remains:

    The American Experiment lives on. It includes your right to voice your wackjob sentiments here, and my right to oppose them, and that other guy's right to tease you saying "sex sex sex" etc.

    It includes our right to attempt to publish any number of obscene words, within pretty sensible limits (such as the "fighting words" exemption and libel,) though it does not necessarily obligate Ian or anyone else to publish them.

    You know as well as I do that your laughable distortion of history is not worthy of a response. You know as well as I do that Thomas Jefferson himself espoused a wall between the church and the state, so that no one zealous faction could push its balderdash on the new nation using the state as a tool.

    The "Time for experimentation is over", perhaps, in Iran. In America, it is alive and well. It's the thing that made America special, although other liberal democracies have copied us at this point:

    The proposition that we are free, unless the state has a compelling reason to introduce laws restricting our individual freedom for the common good.

    So okay, you're not an American, I take it, or you're just living abroad? I don't know. But if you drop by, or if you come home, as the case may be, look into the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They remain inspiring documents. They may be at odds with your own religious beliefs, but those of us comfortable enough in our own beliefs to see there is room for the beliefs of others, love this country that much more.

    God Bless America.

    PFnV
     
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    Liberals and Terrorists... I thought they where the same thing?! After all, Usama's political ideals are:
    Stop global warming
    Raise taxes
    Grovel and submit to Islam
     
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    Yeah, PF, the status quo is working beautifully in America now, isn't it?? What's the divorce rate now?? 50-60%, more?? The number of children who never grow up in a home with the same parents who gave birth to them??? 70-80% or more?? The number of sex crimes, abductions, murders, rapes, domestic violence crimes, etc., etc., etc. -- all these are just fine and honky-dory to you!!

    Well, you'll just have to forgive my "laughable distortion of history", but I was taught that history while growing up in Needham, MA, attending public schools there (rated very high in those days, at least), attending the Episcopal Church, where I was an acolyte, and then Dartmouth College. I served an abbreviated tour with the Air Defense Artillery at Fort Bliss, then chose an early out instead of assignment to Germany with the Third Armor Division.

    Now, just because YOU may be willing to rationalize the decline of moral and spiritual life in America -- even while you live in the utter dreamland of "we are the best of all time" -- don't be surprised when someone says they are not satisfied. When we see the total waste of America's God-given blessing, now being p!ssed away on a drug-soaked, free-sex drenched, amoral swamp life style, cheer-leaded by the likes of Hugh Hefner, Larry Flynt, and their enablers, then the natural fruits are going to be the murder, rape, family destruction, social upheaval, and terror that we are getting.

    Wake up, man. Others in the world are watching the U.S. every day, and it isn't Geo Bush that they have been noticing: it's the unbelievably shocking decline of a once great nation into a cesspool of selfish individualism, self-promotion, self-centeredness, and "what, me worry??" attitude that gives them confidence the U.S. is finished.

    We can reverse this, and we must. Indeed, I pray God may continue to bless America. But the way things are presently going makes that increasingly difficult, and God may very well take the blessing elsewhere. I want God to continue to stay with America, but whether God can stay or not depends entirely on America's interest in going God's way. The histories of Israel and Christianity bear this out explicitly.



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    Fog, this country is fine. People are living longer, getting along quite well, and, while there's too much crime, a big part of the increase in sex crime is that thanks to liberalism, people who have been abused are no longer so ashamed to come forward. 50 years ago (or less), families would keep child abuse secret, women (and men) would not report rapes, and the media wouldn't even cover such unseemly stories. Thanks to liberalism, we are a more open society. We now have a bettr idea of the truth and that's the most important first step in resolving our problems.
     
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    No, Patters, this is not a case of simply "better reporting" of abuses. All across the board -- from divorce rates, to numbers of times children have their parental figures changed (due to the said high divorce occurances), multiple step-parents, etc, to the massively increased sexual activity of young people -- now down to even less than ten years old -- the wide-spread sexual abuses of teenagers by Catholic priests, and so forth -- sexual abuse and sexual misuse, and the violence it spawns, has sky-rocketed in the last 60 years.

    By any study or account one chooses to examine from before the First World War you can easily see that life was far less immersed in the promiscuity that has grown like an untreated cancer these past several decades.

    Fifty years ago, high school students were getting cited for the crimes of "talking in class", "chewing gum", "throwing spit-balls", "not following the teacher's directions", whereas nowadays, the crimes are "assault", "rape", "theft", "sexual acting out"; it's a whole different level now. Kids are being told they are just "another kind of animal", like leopards, jackals, and hyenas; so the kids act like animals. Humans are NOT animals; humans have a spiritual sense that goes beyond the here and now and reaches eternity; animals do not.


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    I disagree. I once read an article that estimated there were 100,000 child prostitutes in New York City at the turn of the last century. The abuse of slaves is well documented. The crimes of the wild west are well documented. In the past, there are many cases with rapists being acquitted because the woman "enticed" them. In the past, There is a good amount of anecdotal evidence about priests and bishops abusing their position that goes ways back, but it was mostly covered up, as anyone who has a knowledge of the more recent scandal should realize. True, there's more divorce now, but in the past woman because of social mores were trapped in sometimes horrible relationships (if not by social mores, then by the fact that they often had no skills with which to seek work). Yes, there is more sexual activity by young people, but as long as its consensual and legal, in and of itself that may not be a tragedy. I think it's a fantasy to believe humankind has changed so fundamentally in such a short period of time.

    Promiscuity is always relative to the era we live in. In the past, a woman showing her ankles was considered pornographic. In the 1920s, US Customs initially blocked paintings shipped by the Vatican for an exhibition here because the paintings had nudity!

    Bullies existed in the past, too. While our society has become more violent, let's not forget that there were plenty of crimes in the past, and that again sex crimes typically went unreported. That said, I don't deny those kinds of crimes and the level of violence have increased, but so has our population. In some areas, we have lost ground (such as the violence of crime), but in other areas we've gained ground (such as our ability to respond to sexual violence and support victims of such violence). In the past there were other types of violence, too, such as the presumed right of a husband to abuse his wife.
     
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    You're so pathetic. Do you really believe the diarea that comes out of your mouth?
     

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