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    .... Hooray for their brave public opinions.

    Liberal Democrats in uproar over Libya action - John Bresnahan and Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com

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    Good -- it's always refreshing to see pols who don't just toe the party line.
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    I posted up a couple more links in NUT's thread. Same story, different day. Same old intervention, except the people pulling the strings are different, the agenda is different, the end game is different, and the stooges to be instilled are different.
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    Love to know who are the string pullers ...
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    Well, it seems the French, and an over reaching UN are the face of this one.
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    kucinich is calling for impeachment, that is what is different about the Dems... many times they do not just follow.
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    He's not calling for impeachment. I saw him on TV last night and he was asked about it. He wants no part of that. He wants to defund the operation. Remember though Kucinich is the guy who said he wouldn't kill Bin Laden. He is opposed to force, or death, in virtually all manners. That being said, it is good to see some dems voice their disdain for the process the president seems to have ignored with respect to congress. It's made me wonder where the limitations of the presidents authority are. Can he do what he did here, or is this indeed a violation of the constitutional process? I honestly don't know the legal answer to that.
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    That's actually a good question, and one I'd finally like to see go to the Supreme Court (however that would work in this case, and if the SC can be trusted to make a non-partisan decision). We've been involved in too many "wars that aren't wars".
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    I think what he did is in compliance with the War powers Act. From my 1Am read of that while watching the Celts ( :) ), the language in that is pretty vague -- I'm guessing intentionally.

    shirtsleeve claims in another thread that the act is unconstitutional, and I think many people feel that was, but I don't think it's ever been challenged. Neither party seems to want to go there.

    Interestingly, Boehner is defending Obama (while wanting better reporting) while Kucinich and other further left Dems are criticizing him.

    (I think what Obama did here is pretty similar to Reagan's actions in Grenada, though I certainly couldd be wrong.)
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    It sure is.

    Just like some of the new Republican's in the House who have voted against party lines since they came to office.
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    It is nice not to hear apologists, like we did with W. It should be reflected among the people too, but it isn't, sadly. Like a socialist (Bill Maher)I dont agree with much, once said correctly "Its about the message, not the man". Many on the left saw Obama as one who they really finally could believe in. He has been a disappointment to them. It happens often. Its hard to swallow that one was duped to believed in someone who then sells them out.

    And I am getting a tad disappointed with some of the new R's we sent. Too much NEO there. Some have done their job though. Still the R leadership is deaf to what we said. Its probationary. Boener is only speaker now because we sent these people and that message to the house. They should have made Paul speaker. He represents what we sent these people to do.
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    OT: Bill Maher's a socialist?
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    Bill Maher is an atheist. That makes him a socialist in the eyes of people who believe in a God.
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    I was watching him one night and he said he was. Maybe it was a gag? I dunno, but I took him at his word.

    I have read he sees himself as a libertarian, but I have never heard him look to bring our government to constitutional levels. Judge Napolitano is a Libertarian. Does Maher sound like him? Notsomuch.
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    Do not confuse me with the religious right. The fact that he is an atheist makes him an atheist. Nothing more, nothing less.
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    Not my intent at all so sorry about that. I think 80%+ of people in this Country classify themselves as Christians. When a Bill Maher comes out and says religion isn't his thing he gets vilified as a commie/socialist/anti-american.
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    OT: It's too bad they cut him off -- I would have liked to have heard his full comments on this. I'm guessing he went on to say w/regard to healthcare, but who knows?

    Regardless, he's still an as*hole ;)
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    It was in regards to healthcare.

    For those opposing "obamacare" a question for you: If you break your leg and don't have health insurance how much will it cost to put that leg in a cast?

    If you live in Canada, most of the EU Country's, Australia, New Zealand, etc it will cost $0.00.
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    $0.00

    I live in Mass and would be on Commonwealth Care. Not that I agree with it. But again, you miss the whole point here. What is unconstitutional on a Federal level is legal on a state level. Its called states rights and Obamacare pi$$es all over them. It also violates any spirit of the commerce clause. ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

    I still blame this mess the country is in on that damnable 17th ammendment. Until then, the people were represented by the HOR, the NATION by the POTUS and the STATES by the Senate, appointed by the "several state's" legislatures. That move stripped small states of equal stature, and weakened our republic. It also all but muted the sovereign rights of each state.
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    So you make $908 a month?.

    BTW: The electoral vote system is ridiculous. Why is New York State more important than Rhode Island? Why does every Presidential election come down to Florida and Michigan and/or Ohio?
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    That is not what you asked. You asked if I did not have insurance. In such an event, I would be compelled to purchase commonwealth care. Only in cases where I made that or less, would the insurance be free. But that has no bearing on the cost to me of the care I recieve. The care I would recieve would be paid by Commonwealth care in this instance. My health care premiums are dependent on my income. You live here, you know that.

    If you are trying to lead me into a government run single payer system born on tax dollars to pay the premiums, then my premium costs would skyrocket, via taxes to pay for them. So just dont.
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    OK this topic is all but completely hijacked. Lets try to reign it in and bring it back to the OT. This is my fault, mostly.
    Sorry.:)
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    Maher is a left-wing libertarian. Not a socialist. He has never say he was a socialist either.
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