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  1. mgteich

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    1) I don't think that there are enough reps for more than five defensive linemen.

    2) Only four participated in more than 30% of the defensive reps last year.

    3) I agree with Belichick's apparent decision to carry a backup NT (Brace) who we hope can do other things if needed.

    4) We lost Green and brought in G. Warren and Lewis.

    5) I don't think that there is any reason to keep all three, unless Pryor is kept as a developmental future starter.

    6) Which of the three would you cut? My choice is Pryor.
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    Re: Lewis, G. Lewis and Pryor

    I'd cut Lewis. You messed up in the title, by the way.
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    Re: Lewis, G. Lewis and Pryor

    You want the Pats to go with five defensive lineman on the roster this season?
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    Re: Lewis, G. Lewis and Pryor

    Above is exactly why I don't want to see Pryor cut. He's ineligible for the PS, but he showed enough that at least one team was willing to trade for him before LAST season started.
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    Re: Lewis, G. Lewis and Pryor

    Six: T. Warren-Wilfork-Wright + Brace + two of Lewis, G. Warren, and Pryor.
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    Re: Lewis, G. Lewis and Pryor

    I think Lewis is cut. He had half a sack last season, and PFF gave him no sacks, meaning he was more than likely the second guy to get to the QB on that play. Assuming that he is no better than 4th on the DE depth chart (I assume after Warren, Warren, and Wright), then he has to be a very good subpackage rusher to earn his spot, and he didn't show much last year of his 408 rushes primarily out of the 4-3, so I don't have overly high hopes. I think Warren and Warren start, Wright is the primary backup at DE, and Pryor earns a spot as a nickel rusher. Plus Wilfork and Brace at NT, of course.
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    Re: Lewis, G. Lewis and Pryor

    The battle for defensive line roster spots is going to be interesting. Only one or two sure fire locks, IMO, with lots of competition between Veterans, a couple backups, and a healthy bunch of unproven young guys.
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    Re: Lewis, G. Lewis and Pryor

    I think seven DL would be about right. I'm not including Burgess though.

    1) Warren
    2) Wilfork
    3) Brace
    4) Pryor
    5) Wright
    6) G Warren
    7) Deaderick
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    This is my prediction. Deaderick is a definite practice squad candidate though. Depends if Bill thinks he can get him there.
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    Re: Lewis, G. Lewis and Pryor

    How could you know who to cut before camp? Two of them have never played here or in a 3-4, I don't think.

    I'd rather see who makes the team and if anyone but our top three showed anything last year, Pryor did. I agree Pryor is a project who will only be cut if he stops progressing.
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    I think Lewis and G Warren are competing for the same spot.
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    With a psychic octopus? ;)

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    I don't see why you would cut Pryor since he brings something nobody else does, explosion up-field from an interior line position. That goes for off the nose and from at DT when they switch to a 4-3. Also if they wanted to one gap their 3-4 once in a while I think he's a natural. Also with another year of strength conditioning and coaching up on technique I think he's going to see more playing time this year contingent on staying healthy as he was banged up a lot last year.

    I agree that Lewis and Warren are competing for that last spot.
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    Re: Lewis, G. Lewis and Pryor

    I should have clarified. Most years we can make some judgments based on players that were less than stellar, or getting a bit old, compared to new picks or acquisitions.

    This year we have two years of tons of draft picks and two 4-3 vets trying to convert to 3-4.

    We don't know how successful they'll be converting, or if they might rotate, each offering different strengths.

    To say we should cut one know,I have to ask why? Of all the backup linemen in question, Pryor has looked pretty good. He's better suited for a different system, but he's quick as hell and we do use different rush packages.

    Just don't see how we can judge until we see how this works and especially say we'll drop anyone because a 7th rounder needs the spot.

    There are a few positions that can be projected based on our knowledge of the players involved, but not a lot this year.
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    Yes to the above. I'd be prepared to have a modest wager that Myron Prior, if healthy, makes the team.

    Seriously, these pre-camp discussions, interesting though they are, run right against the Patriots' way of doing things. It's pretty clear that they themselves have an open mind about personnel going into camp.

    Instead of putting all their eggs in one basket, saying "here's our slot, here's our guy -- let's go get him and pay the price" they much prefer to distribute things and hope that one or another pans out. When they needed a safety, for example, drafting Scott and Reid together. This year taking two tight ends. And the same applies to signing free agents/trading for players. Think of Tight End and Wide Receiver last year. That is why camp is crucial.
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    There is zero chance that Pryor gets cut. Give me one example in BB history, where a rookie comes in and plays that many snaps in his first year, then gets cut his second year?
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    This is amazing. MGteich says that he thinks Pryor will get cut, and the board thread goes 16 posts to zero against him. 16 - 0 ! Amazing. I didn't think we could all agree 16 - 0 whether it was raining or not.
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    The board of 16 decided that we will have 8 defensive linemen on the starting 53. I believe that Pryor is more of likely of being cut than the team keeping EIGHT defensive linemen.

    The GROUP OF SIXTEEN decided that Deaderick will be on the 53 man roster instead of the Practice Squad, even before anyone is injured. Last year PRYOR step up in Training Camp and was able to secure a roster spot and play 27% of the reps.

    A REALITY CHECK
    Please list the rookies 6th or 7th round draft choice who was waived in the past 5 years and were picked up by another team, preventing a team from puttin him on the Practice Squad. Deaderick will make the Practice Squad. If someone is injured and he has a great Training Camp and perseason, he could make the team. But now is not the time to predict injuries.



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    I don't believe we will have one replacement for Seymour, I think Lewis and Warren will rotate depending on situation and also so they can go all out and stay fresh.

    There is no replacement for Seymour and nothing close unless they hit the lottery with Oakland's pick, though i don't know if there's such a beast available.

    Suh would have been interesting, I'd guess.

    I don't think you hold roster spots for 7th round picks, so who else besides Pryor adds anything?

    If Deadrick is a phenom, that might knock off one of the vets, but extraordinary D-linemen aren't usually that overlooked, are they?
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    Actually, final cuts were not yet made. Both Deadrick and Pryor were on the bubble, and we still needed to address special teams only players.
    Keeping 8 DL was not the consensus. Having a final debate over which DL to keep compared with the other competitors for the final spots was the consensus.
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    Seymour had exactly zero reps last year.

    I have no problem with at all with Lewis, Warren, Warren and Wright all being part of a rotation DE and DT, with Wilfork playing his normal 55-60% of the defensive reps. I have Brace as a perrenial inactive backup NT and our #6 DL. I do have hope that he will step up his game and become more valuable in the short yardage defense.

    You ask who else besides Pryor adds anything. I agree. If we decide that we need a 7th DL, Pryor is the man. Pryor also might beat out Lewis or G. Warren. I would again not that only 5 defensive linemen played in more than 6% of the defensive reps in 2009.

    So my BOTTOM LINE, I understand that Pryor might beat out Lewis or G. Warren, but I don't see the need for a 7th defensive linemen.

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    It wasnt 16-0. In fact we were closer to cutting than keeping him in the DL thread and agreed to put him on the bubble.
    The 'final' roster wasn't final yet. We cheated by putting OBerger on pup when he prob wont be eligible and left only 8 OL, then still had a cut to make and never addressed s/ters. Pryor was on the bubble, not 16-0 in.
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    How many snaps do you think he played?
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    264 + 20 in the Ravens game = 284. 163 of which were pass rush plays.

    Pryor isn't going anywhere.
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    As rookie in 2009, Myron Prior played in 27 percent of all defensive snaps, and was credit with 23 tackles, 2 QB hits and one forced fumble.

    BB has often said the biggest jump in player development is before the second year. Posters predicting Prior making the second year jump from 27 percent of all snaps to Wal Mart, are betting strongly against NE Patriots historical norms.
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    History doesnt make decisions.
    Ok, so he played 264 reg season snaps. Thats about 17 a game.
    But the majority of those came while other players were injured and there weren't many options.
    199 of those snaps came from week 3 to week 10.
    After that he had only snaps in the last 6 games.
    I dont think a guy making the team and playing 264 snaps is any guarantee of his future. I do think that not playing much at all as the season wore on is not a good sign.
    In the 2 games he played the most snaps (which was over 30% of his season) we only had 4 active DL.
    The year before when we had all the same guys PLUS Richard Seymour, LeKevin Smith played 174 snaps, and that didn't turn out to be a great endorsement.

    I understand he was good enough to make the team.
    But the playing time he received is hardly a rousing success story.

    Id love to see him stick around but we lost 1 veteran and brought in 2. I don't see which of the other 4 returning DL would get cut instead of him.
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    If his primary role was rushing the passer (when other players were out) and he managed 0 sacks and only 5 QB hits and 4 pressures, how is that a positive?
    Getting playing time can happen for many reasons. Getting playing time is not always a positive. But if you don't do anything with that playing time then its a negative.
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    Myron Prior is on the 2010 NE Patriots roster. That is the most likely scenario.
    Can you name even one defensive rookie, just one, ever, who had 264 snaps and was cut the next season? No you can't, because it has never happened, ever.

    Now I believe you said "History doesn't make decisions". ( Thats priceless by the way ). So your logic is that, "forget that there is no precedent for this, forget that this has never, ever, happened before, this time is different. "
    Well OK. That would never hold up in court, but OK everyone on this board is certainly welcome to share their opinions. I believe you have shared 6,053 of them. I just happen to believe that the most likely scenario is that this is not the first time ever, and that Prior makes the squad.
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