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    Ok, so Cali residents now have a democratic super-majority in their HOR.

    Not only that, Cali voters did the following;

    1. Voters approved Proposition 30 "temporarily" increasing the state sales tax and income tax on individuals making over $250,000.

    2. They voted against Proposition 31 that would allow the governor to cut the budget in fiscal emergencies.

    3. They voted against Proposition 32 that would prevent unions from making campaign donations via members' dues

    So if things get worse (or even REALLY, REALLY bad), only democrats can be blamed.

    So get your popcorn folks and "Let's Watch California Fail"!

    As Nikolai says, "We get what we deserve"
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    it's pretty much always been like that in CA
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    No, wrong, when they voted prop 13 in 1978 whcih limited property taxes it was the begging of what we see today. How can a state deliver services when they can only tax so much. Evan as a kid i thought this didn't add up.

    Proposition 13 (officially named the People's Initiative to Limit Property Taxation) was an amendment of the Constitution of California enacted during 1978, by means of the initiative process. It was approved by California voters on June 6, 1978. It was declared constitutional by the United States Supreme Court in the case of Nordlinger v. Hahn, 505 U.S. 1 (1992). Proposition 13 is embodied in Article 13A of the Constitution of the State of California.[1]
    The most significant portion of the act is the first paragraph, which limited the tax rate for real estate:

    Section 1. (a) The maximum amount of any ad valorem tax on real property shall not exceed one percent (1%) of the full cash value of such property. The one percent (1%) tax to be collected by the counties and apportioned according to law to the districts within the counties.


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    I bet you don't own a home, do you?
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    Basically, a model of what the rest of the country will eventually look like.
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    Nope, Bush and every Republican will be at fault.
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    You make it sound as if california hasn't ALREADY been a mess until now.

    That's some cute revisionism there, PR.

    7+ years of Governor Hanz und Franz were magically excised in your post.
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    #75 Jersey

    PR, why so glum? Don't you have anything positive to talk about? If I want nothing but bad news, I'll turn on CNN or listen to sports radio complaining that we didn't completely destroy the Bills yesterday.
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    If you look at WHY Cali is in trouble, it's due to SPENDING. Much of their troubles come from unfunded pension costs.

    No one deserves a penstion over $100k/year....take a look at how many retired public sector workers are pain over $100k!

    Take a look at the cost of what illegal immigrants are costing Cali residents!

    Now maybe Cali republicans like to spend tax dollars too, I have no idea.

    But now Cali has a democratic super-majority...so let's see how they handle this. I really don't think Cali residents can afford more taxes....guess we'll find out, huh?
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    #75 Jersey

    I fully agree with everything in that post, except the taxes part.

    Depends how much and on whom and what.
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    We should sell that state now before it ends up in the pacific ocean.
    Maybe Canada will take them ... use the money to retire our national debt ... problem solved. ;););)
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    And we'll get rid of half our illegal aliens too!
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    Strangely partisan sounding prediction from someone who insists with amazing regularity that he's totally non-partisan.
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    Suppose for the "ain't it awful" crowd it is good to crow about a state that has a huge economy to fail...

    Believe California has something like the world's 5th or 6th largest economy, and hoping it will fail will only lead to more failures..

    What the right never talks about in California is the huge prison industry, Ronnie Raygun started the war on criminals big time.. and many of his friends got rich. The problems with so many prisons are so many employees, so many pensions and so much cost associated with the running of them.
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    Why the class warfare against people who earned pensions?

    Where is your support of upholding contracts agreed to by free agents, in this case, a state or municipality and the people they hire?

    Shouldn't you be standing on principle, stamping your little feet, and proclaiming that a dollar earned is a dollar owed?

    How dare you intervene to distort markets like this! OMG! :eek:

    If a guy makes $90K per year, he can retire w/full pension.... and if a guy makes $200K per year for an executive position, you redistribute 50% of his earned pension, just by fiat?

    By the way, I agree with the position you should not be taking; peg it at $100K and index it moving forward. But you better be going after top mariginal rates too. After all, "nobody" should be earning $1M a year, "period." Same basic logic. I can go with arbitrary lines, but that opens them up for every purpose.

    And don't tell me all about "job creating." Pension funds are one of the best sources of patient capital that exist -- you know, the kind you go to for construction, new businesses, or growing businesses, because you need an investor that can wait years for a return, not just until the next computer-generated sell order.

    And 1% property tax by constitutional amendment? How'd that turn out for you, California? Looks like something for nothing doesn't work. Let's not repeat their mistake.

    PFnV
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    The budget for Prisons consume about 9.5% of the California Budget, there are over 9500 prisoners housed in other states..

    They cut planned building costs from 6 Billion to 2.7 Billion.. lots of money spent to lock up people.. and the costs increase exponentially when prisoners get older and sickly.

    Officials announce sweeping overhaul of California prisons - Los Angeles Times

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    The bottom line is that unsustainable spending and policy cannot be ignored, nor justified. It's simple math people. No matter what side of the political spectrum you sit on, one, especially a government, cannot spend beyond its means. Period, case closed, end of story.

    So long as my tax dollars don't bailout that state (or any state), it will forever be their problem to deal with. Good luck to them.
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    Do you? A 1% tax rate is quite low, especially in places that have decent services.

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