Let's talk Defensive End?

Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by VJCPatriot, Mar 26, 2007.

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  1. VJCPatriot

    VJCPatriot Pro Bowl Player

    I've been thinking that the Patriots need a linebacker but the truth is that a lot of college linebackers don't project well to the Patriots system. What has been their usual MO then? That has been converting college Defensive Ends to Linebacker. So let's examine a relatively unexplored position, DE.

    Our candidates.

    Gaines Adam 6-4 258 4.64 40, Clemson
    A freakish athlete who likely won't get out of the top 10.
    Has the height/size we look for at linebacker.

    Jamaal Anderson 6-5, 288, 4.75 40, Arkansas
    A huge guy, more of a true Defensive End. Could be a valuable backup or might overtake Marquise Hill on the depth chart. (I know how hard is that right?)

    Adam Carriker 6-6, 296, 4.90 40, Nebraska
    His best fit is projected to be a 3-4 defensive end which surprise is also a great fit for the Patriots defense. Not a conversion candidate at that size and speed. Talented athlete who would be relegated to backup duty on the current Pats. I like the talent but wouldn't know how to get him into the lineup.

    Jarvis Moss 6-6, 250, 4.70 40, Florida
    Great size/speed ratio. Excellent conversion prospect. However I am concerned of reports that he is too skinny and a liability vs the run.

    Victor Abiamiri 6-4, 267, 4.8 40, Notre Dame
    Described as an excellent athelete with long arms. Long arms always help with swatting down balls and might help keep linemen off him at the next level. Also described as an excellent pass rusher which fits in with what Pats want from the position. I like reports that he is supposed to be smart, hardworking, and has great intangibles. Could be a prime candidate for conversion.

    Charles Johnson, 6-2, 270, 4.87 40, Georgia
    A little short but great bulk and long arms. Also reportedly sheds blocks well which is a prequisite for a Pats linebacker. Supposedly has good array of pass rush moves but lacks that special burst to stand out. That probably knocks him down a round or two.

    Anthony Spencer, 6-2 261, 4.73 40, Purdue
    Described as an excellent athlete with great playing speed. A little short but has enough bulk to play linebacker for the Pats as a conversion project. I am concerned with reports that he has trouble shedding blocks. But he is another good pass rusher that can get after the QB.

    Quentin Moses 6-5, 261, 4.85 40, Georgia
    Described as a natural pass rusher. Has excellent height and size to become an OLB conversion. Reportedly has a quick burst which is more valuable than straight line speed for getting after the QB. Concerned with reports that he might be a liability versus the run and doesn't get much push. Needs to work on strength.

    Lamarr Woodley, 6-1 266, 4.79 40, Michigan
    Good athlete and big hitter. A little short but has the bulk to play linebacker in the Pats system. Has experience at both linebacker and defensive end so his versatility might make him an easier conversion. Good pass rusher that is described as a sound technician with a good work ethic. Described as a tweener but might be a "good tweener" for the Pats.

    Of the defensive ends we haven't talked a lot about I think Abiamari sounds like the most intriguing conversion prospect. He has the ideal Patriot OLB size, combined with long arms, decent speed, excellent athleticism, smarts, and a strong work ethic. He can also bring down the QB, which is always a plus and could earn him some specialized pass rushing appearances even in his rookie year. I could see him as the pick at 28 or after a possible trade down to the early second round. Lamarr Woodley and Spencer also look like pretty good conversion projects with sufficient bulk to play linebacker for the Pats although they are both a tad short at 6-2 and 6-1 respectively. I like Gaines for obvious reasons but I doubt he drops down to the Pats picks.
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  2. AzPatsFan

    AzPatsFan Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Here we are talking a DE OLB conversion on a team that has Colvin, Vrabel, AD and even Tedy who could and has played OLB in a pinch, and Pierre Woods as an on on-board development project.

    We have Tedy inside and a reluctant Vrabel to man the two ILB positions. And then EA, a 3 year ST S conversion player, and a Corey Mays, both UDFAs neither of who is a highy rated LB. Why haven't we signed ANY reserve ILBs? You could say that Hartwell is done; or Spikes isn't available from the Bills; but we didn't go for either Kawika Mitchell or Nap Harris or resign Gardner either.

    W-H-Y ?
  3. cstjohn17

    cstjohn17 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I would have liked one vet to be brought in but by my best guess, this is what the Pats are thinking.
    - 1 to 2 LBs will be drafted (1 on day 1, 1 on day 2) they will give the young guys a chance to earn a roster spot
    - if after they get closer to camp they can always sign a player like Gartner, Hartwell, Seau or some other borderline JAG
    - if they get really nervous they could make a trade either during camp or after the season starts
    - they envision Alexander taking more snaps in 2007

    OLB - Colvin, Thomas, Vrabel, Woods,
    ILB - Bruschi, Alexander, Mays, Izzo
    - there are 8 spots taken already, realistically only 9 or 10 LBs will be on the active roster so if they bring in 1 vet and draft 2 players plus an UDFA there will be 12-13 players fighting for 9 or 10 spots

    With the relative strength of the rest of the defense and a rotation they can afford not to have Dick Butkus and Mike Singletary at ILB.
  4. PATSNUTme

    PATSNUTme Paranoid Homer Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Woodley could be a possible conversion to ILB, but I wouldn't spend a 1st rounder on him. Will he still be there when we pick at #91?
  5. SamBamsFan

    SamBamsFan Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    I didn't know they were draft eligible this year.:singing:
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