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  1. JSn

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    I thought of typing this post in phonetic Bostonian and then realized how freaking hard that would be.

    Solomon Wilcots has said this on Sirius:

    Now if we all take off the goggles and recognize Harrison's fame for wrecking players, maybe this idea gets a little less off-putting.

    I feel like I'd rather have a rehabbed Rodney back, but maybe this turns into a cheaper way to go and replaces the Tank Williams experiment.

    Anyone have any objective thoughts on the idea?
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    I like him if they don't expect too much from a coverage standpoint. However if Rodney comes back is there really a fit for Roy Williams here? They are kind of the same guy at this point in their careers.
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    I agree with the rodney thing and I do believe BB would use roy well, but didnt he mention that the kind of saftey he wants is a guy who's more of a coverage guy earlier this off season? or did he say somthing else?
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    There was some discussion on the evaluation of the position. I don't think it eliminates the need for an skull-smasher at SS, but Meri was wicked in blitzing this year and maybe a guy who covers and can get sacks has more value when you ahve guys like Mayo and Guyton at ILB who can actually chase down faster TE's and slot guys.

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    Please just stop. We've had this already, and I'd rather see Stephen Hawkings playing at Safety personally.
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    (Anyone who has watched NFL for the past four years knows exactly why and how many threads does this guy need you'd think we were signing the WR)
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    I was hoping for a clutter free thread on the topic.
    I get the sense he's the sort of guy everyone will gripe about unless he signs and then it will suddenly qualify as a brilliant.
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    This guy cannot cover anyone which includes your and my grand mother so what the hell you want him for.

    Harrison might not be fast to cover WR but completely shutdown clark and gates in crucial games and you want to put him their!!!

    do not give me the whole play in the box that will work when you play against herm edwards you put him against manning or penny or any decent qb he will kill you with a TE.
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    No thanks he cant cover a text book.
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    Roy Williams fails the character test to become a Patriot. IMO, he should have been thrown out of the league a long time ago. F--- him, he's the only player I've ever wished an injury on.
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    Is Harrison even guaranteed to make the roster? After watching his play go down last year, yes it went down before the injury, I think he might not even make the team. He's not a step slower but two or three steps slower... It was very visible last year.. ANd now with an added injury and a year older, I think this position needs some major upgrades..


    Years ago Harrison was cut because he couldn't cover.. People remember one or two games with this guy and think he can't cover.. Check out Williams stats before that lame duck coach took over.. Not to bad.. And He's very talented in many ways.. But maybe the cowboys were not using his strengths..
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    I think he could be a good fit here, but would it be better to draft a safety in 1 or 2nd round and work him in...and cheaper.

    if Roy comes cheap...why not.

    and about his coverage...why.. who couild cover the last 2 years on the pats. 3rd and long anyone? without a pass rush, forget about pass coverage.
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    First comparison that came to mu mind was John Lynch. Lynch was a better tackler and better against the run than Williams. But BB released him due to his coverage issues even though he was a player he had tried to bring in previously and highly respected. I'm thinking that if BB couldn't find a roster spot for Lynch, then the chances of Roy Williams becoming a Pat are slim and none.
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    He might not get to the receiver, but at least he would take the right angle, which is more than Williams ever did!
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    Brillilant. Pass coverage ability is irrelevant for a DB. I see some of us are already in June form.
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    I hope you meant to say that SD cut him because they THOUGHT he couldn't cover.
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    The problem with Roy williams is that people just assume he hits hard and cant cover.... when in fact he can't do either. He was a huge hitter when he first came into the league... but he can't tackle anymore.

    From what i saw last year, there are no strengths to his game. He was so bad, special teamer Keith Davies got to start over him, even when williams was healthy. Thats the equivalent of Harrison being benched for Ventrone/slater.
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    Lynch play has been off for a few years.. In his prime he was a great tackler but the short few weeks we saw him revealed that he no longer could meet the player head on..
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    I'd take a flyer on him but I think you need another drafted safety. We already have one safety that can't cover anyone now but I think Williams is a better hitter. Look at his body of work. He still had 3 INT's and 11 BPU last year in a partial season. It's like saying Moss lost a step. It is perception, not reality. It will cost us too much anyway so there is no point.
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    He used to be able to tackle but then they outlawed the horse collar and now he just leads the nfl in that category.
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    I would love to have Roy Williams and Meriweather as the Safeties.
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    Roy Williams is not going to New England! He doesn't like playing in a 3-4 and he can't cover anybody. I agree with most people on this board that say that he can't hit anymore. All he does is horse tackle people because he takes terrible angles. This is pretty much the only way he tackles. The Pats already have a safety that takes terrible angles (Sanders), I hope they don't want another.
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    With all due respect, you cannot be serious. What does Wade Phillips have to do with Williams' being probably the worst cover safety in the NFL, as well as being a non-force in the running game now? (Maybe he was buddies with all those guys in the Texas Rangers clubhouse during the A-ROD years???

    This thread is hilarious. Even given BB's penchant for unpredictability, Williams has no role on this team and i'd be shocked if he's even playing in the NFL next year. Sell your Camry, take out a second mortgage on your house, raid your 401K and find someone who will bet you that Williams ever comes to NE, and you'll never have to work another day in your life.
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    I'm dead serous.. Wade plays an attacking 3-4 1 gap specialty. Pats play a lot more zone especially in the secondary..

    Williams was asked to many times to play deep in space.. Something he would not do with the Patriots.. He would play med to Short like Harrison has done for years.. Taking away the middle from the Wr's and TE..



    Frankly I'm not a big fan of James Sanders.. I like to see what Williams can do..

    He's a better player than Lynch and Tank Williams at this stage..

    Of course those guys came in low pay..
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    Bring him in for a look.
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    Pats fan here but I live in Dallas and see a lot of Cowboys games. Roy Williams can't do a lot of things and his struggles in coverage are well documented. One thing he can do, however, is stop the run. Roy Williams is a BEAST against the run. Sorry but Lynch or Harrison aren't even in his league against the run. If BB has brought in Lynch and Tank Williams to try to find that run stopping, play near the LOS type LB/S, he couldn't get a much better match than Roy Willaims. If the price is right I'd do this in a heartbeat.

    Situational football boys. Situational football.
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    I can respect your views and you make some good points. What do we really have to lose? I'd like to see him at the very least--brought in for a nice long look. You are very correct in saying (quoting) BB plays to a players strengths, and obviously, he does have some strengths. If he dosen't look good, or isn't working out--then I am sure we don't use him too close to our playing depth. If the contract is somewhat ok, then it's not that high risk of a situation.

    The front office,scouting,and coaching jobs certainly include trying to improve our team. I really don't see us downgrading at the position at this point. And FWIW--I'm sure we, at the very least draft a S with one of the 3rd rounders at the latest. If he didn't work out in a few uniforms, then I think you really know what he's about--without a doubt. However, I feel there may still be some doubt as to what he can improve on. Just because he didn't work out in the Wade Phillips era, dosen't necessarily mean he's done.

    And there's no doubt I totally agree with your assessment of Seymour. He is one of the major strengths on our D, and I don't want to mess with that success.
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