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Let's Put to Rest the "They Haven't beaten a Team with a Winning Record" Canard

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  1. shmessy

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    They beat SIX (6) teams (one of them twice!) who WOULD HAVE had winning records were it not for losing to the Pats.

    The "they haven't beaten a winning record team this year" thing will be repeated over and over and over again for the next two weeks - - as much as the "worst defense in the NFL" line - - which can ALSO be proven false by a mere check of the facts.
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    I really don't know where this anti patriot hate come from this season. It seems two of things everyone bash is Tebow's future as a quarterback and the patriots chance to win a superbowl because of the defense.
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    I don't think it is hate. Probably more a) innocent ignorance or b) desire to see a fresh face instead of the old one hogging the spotlight. 10 years ago, the Pats were America's Darlings also.
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    If we had beaten the Giants, they would not have a winning record. Oh F**k us. We just can't win.
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    It is hate imo. When the colts were known as being "finesse" like us, people still gave them a shot to win a superbowl and gave manning the mvp.

    Now all of sudden DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!! And the pats stand no chance to win against the ravens or the steelers.

    I am one of those fans that knock the defense, but to give the patriots no chance to win the superbowl, is just plain ignorant.
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    Eh.

    If I weren't particularly a Patriots fan, I'd be looking for a fresh face on the scene.

    Hate is a bit of a strong word. For this subject, it is true only of some downtrodden and jealous pockets around the Pittsburgh area
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    Canard | Define Canard at Dictionary.com

    Regarding this season: could you please tell us which teams the Patriots beat that finished this season with a winning record?

    Also, the "worst defense" cannot be disproved by the facts, nor can it be proved by the facts.
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    #75 Jersey

    "They Haven't beaten a Team with a Winning Record"
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    That might be because Tebow sucks and the Patriots have a historically bad defense.
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    I am a die hard Patriots fan and everytime I talk negatively about the Patriots they play good for some reason so....

    The Patriots will be one and done.

    If they win then

    Patriots will lose in the AFC Championship

    If they win then

    Patriots will Lose the superbowl


    ;)
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    Blah, blah, blah ... as he said, they beat six teams that had a winning record against the rest of the league. That's significant, especially in the face of the "haven't beaten a winning team" argument that people use to imply that the Pats racked up 13 wins against a string of 4-12 teams.

    Please, just this one time, don't take the contrarian viewpoint just to get attention. I'll give you a hug, I promise.
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    Exactly. Some of remember how sick we've been of the Steelers, Dolphins, Cowboys, 49ers, Broncos and even the Bills at various times. (The Jets however have been a constant in this regard.)
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    Pretty sure it can, seeing as the Pats were 15th in the league in points allowed, which is an objective measure of the only stat that actually counts.
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    No, it's not significant at all. He called something a canard. Unfortunately for him, it's not a canard, at all.
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    Positive it can't, because it's an opinion that's not a fact.
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    Yes. Number of points allowed is an opinion.
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    Number of points is a known factual data point. "Worst defense" is opinion.
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    I see your point. I really do. In fact, if the Pats win the SB, I look forward to saying that they didn't beat any playoff teams, because there won't be any other playoff teams left at the end.
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    You really need a new hobby.
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    So, to sum up:

    Smessy gets his argument wrong

    I point it out via a question which begs the answer

    You jump in with a contrarian, argumentative comment asking me not to be contrarian or argumentative

    I respond, noting the problems in your post

    You begin misleading and argumentative responses





    Brilliant!
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