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Let's Put to Rest the "They Haven't beaten a Team with a Winning Record" Canard

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  1. shmessy

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    They beat SIX (6) teams (one of them twice!) who WOULD HAVE had winning records were it not for losing to the Pats.

    The "they haven't beaten a winning record team this year" thing will be repeated over and over and over again for the next two weeks - - as much as the "worst defense in the NFL" line - - which can ALSO be proven false by a mere check of the facts.
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    I really don't know where this anti patriot hate come from this season. It seems two of things everyone bash is Tebow's future as a quarterback and the patriots chance to win a superbowl because of the defense.
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    I don't think it is hate. Probably more a) innocent ignorance or b) desire to see a fresh face instead of the old one hogging the spotlight. 10 years ago, the Pats were America's Darlings also.
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    If we had beaten the Giants, they would not have a winning record. Oh F**k us. We just can't win.
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    It is hate imo. When the colts were known as being "finesse" like us, people still gave them a shot to win a superbowl and gave manning the mvp.

    Now all of sudden DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!! And the pats stand no chance to win against the ravens or the steelers.

    I am one of those fans that knock the defense, but to give the patriots no chance to win the superbowl, is just plain ignorant.
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    Eh.

    If I weren't particularly a Patriots fan, I'd be looking for a fresh face on the scene.

    Hate is a bit of a strong word. For this subject, it is true only of some downtrodden and jealous pockets around the Pittsburgh area
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    Canard | Define Canard at Dictionary.com

    Regarding this season: could you please tell us which teams the Patriots beat that finished this season with a winning record?

    Also, the "worst defense" cannot be disproved by the facts, nor can it be proved by the facts.
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    #75 Jersey

    "They Haven't beaten a Team with a Winning Record"
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    That might be because Tebow sucks and the Patriots have a historically bad defense.
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    I am a die hard Patriots fan and everytime I talk negatively about the Patriots they play good for some reason so....

    The Patriots will be one and done.

    If they win then

    Patriots will lose in the AFC Championship

    If they win then

    Patriots will Lose the superbowl


    ;)
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    Blah, blah, blah ... as he said, they beat six teams that had a winning record against the rest of the league. That's significant, especially in the face of the "haven't beaten a winning team" argument that people use to imply that the Pats racked up 13 wins against a string of 4-12 teams.

    Please, just this one time, don't take the contrarian viewpoint just to get attention. I'll give you a hug, I promise.
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    Exactly. Some of remember how sick we've been of the Steelers, Dolphins, Cowboys, 49ers, Broncos and even the Bills at various times. (The Jets however have been a constant in this regard.)
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    Pretty sure it can, seeing as the Pats were 15th in the league in points allowed, which is an objective measure of the only stat that actually counts.
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    No, it's not significant at all. He called something a canard. Unfortunately for him, it's not a canard, at all.
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    Positive it can't, because it's an opinion that's not a fact.
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    Yes. Number of points allowed is an opinion.
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    Number of points is a known factual data point. "Worst defense" is opinion.
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    I see your point. I really do. In fact, if the Pats win the SB, I look forward to saying that they didn't beat any playoff teams, because there won't be any other playoff teams left at the end.
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    You really need a new hobby.
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    So, to sum up:

    Smessy gets his argument wrong

    I point it out via a question which begs the answer

    You jump in with a contrarian, argumentative comment asking me not to be contrarian or argumentative

    I respond, noting the problems in your post

    You begin misleading and argumentative responses





    Brilliant!
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    Who gives a rat's ass even if that "Canard" is true?

    Last year not only had the Pats beaten the Bears and Packers, who would go to the NFCCG, but they had also beaten four of the other five AFC Playoff teams (Colts, Jets, Ravens and Steelers) and just hadn't played the fifth (Chiefs).

    We all know how much good that did them when the Playoffs started. :rolleyes:

    Maybe going in the opposite way will prove to be the charm this year! :singing:

    As of late last night, 12 teams are 0--0 and one of them is going to be hoisting the Lombardi in February. Might as well be us at 13--3. Also might be an 8--8 team. That's "why they play the games" and why none of this other stuff matters.
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    No, that's what you think you see because you need people to notice you. It's what you do. You are the most miserable person I've ever seen on this board. It's amazing.
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    he is the worst .. just try to ignore him, miserable puppet ..
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    Trying to ignore him (I can't put up with the idiocy anymore); just can't figure out how to do it. :D
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    Hmm ... I dunno, this sounds like a lot of should've/would've/could've to me.

    Facts are facts. We haven't beaten a team with a winning record as it is measured every year for everyone. Close I'll give you but the facts are the ugly facts.

    Regarding our defense, they can't factually state that the NEP have the worst defense anymore. They have been backing that up with YPGA each time anyone has tried to make that case. You can't trade horses now just because you found a new one. However they will tell us that we're the second worst defense! :p

    The real point is NONE of this means we can't win the Super Bowl. They can say what they like, and trash us for weeks if it makes them feel better, but in the end we still play the games because no one knows the outcome until the games are played.
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    The Pats only had one opportunity this season to beat a winning team. If they had won against the Giants, it would have made them a non-winning team. Drawing a conclusion from a sample size of one is usually not a good idea.

    The underlying point of this statement is to reinforce the idea that the Pats can't win in the playoffs. Obviously that isn't true. Doesn't mean they will win...but they are certainly capable.

    The Pats have only had one troublesome game. The reason for the Steeler loss was that the Pats offensive and defensive gameplans were exactly wrong for what the Steelers threw against them. Not a surprise since the Steelers are known for sticking to their approach but went completely different in that game.

    While that one game doesn't indicate a trend, it does highlight a vulnerability. The Pats will lean heavily on having a superior gameplan to get to the SB. If an opposing coach is willing to be bold and try something schematically they haven't done before, that worries me. While that strategy can lead to an upset, it can also backfire and result in a bad elimination loss.
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    We didn't beat any teams with a winning record in '01, either. Last year we whupped up on a bunch of teams with winning records.


    So, in summary, we actually DID NOT beat a team with a winning record. Also, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference in two weeks.
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