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  1. serifyn

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    List some people who you think the patriots should draft, this will help us keep an eye on guys we like through this upcoming draft.

    here are some names ive been seeing alot of lately, let me know what you think.

    1a/b: Ryan Kerrigan OLB: The more i see the more i like, he fits the bill in terms of size and wingspan better than brandon graham did last year, although some label him as 'slow' his stock appears to be raising into the top 10, but hes a LB and they can be difficult to project coming to the NFL so maybe he falls into the pats lap.

    1a/b: J.J Watt DE: from everything ive heard he seems like the perfect patriots sit at the 5 tech. he has a good personality and is hard working, everything about him screams 'patriots'.

    2a: Stefan Wisniewski G/C: a great versatile lineman who projects as one of the best centers/guards in the draft, drafting this player would serve as a great backup/replacement/insurance policy at guard, but also a future replacement for Koppan at center.

    2b: Mikel Leshoure RB: Leshoure is one of the best RBs in the draft but doesn't quite have the name recognition of someone like Mark ingram, as RBs become easier to find in the later rounds, Leshoure may slip to the patriots, he would come in as great competition for BJGE, but also fill the roll of backup or COP back over an older player like fred taylor who i think is done, woodhead would move to 3rd down specialist and special package back role that faulk filled, if Leshoure fell to 64 and i think he might, i think the patriots would have to take him.

    3a. Demarcus Love OT: gives the patriots some much needed depth at OT, Demarcus could play the RT if vollmer moves over to LT when light leave.
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    These are my current guys I like.

    1A. Anthony Castonzo – OT Boston College (6-7/308)
    Senior, 2010 Team Captain. All ACC First team in 2010. Nominated for a Rhodes scholarship in 2010.
    Four year starter with 53 consecutive starts. Good at both pass blocking and run blocking. Needs to work on his strength a little but that shouldn’t be a problem. Last year the draft class was used to bring youth to the Defense (youngest in the league). This year the offense gets its youth injection starting in the trenches. The OL prospects from last year got picked up by other teams after final cuts (Larsen – TB, Welch – Min) so the cupboard is a little bare. If they can resign Matt Light to a couple of years he will have a nice bridge to the future LT job and form a great tandem with Vollmer at RT.

    1B. Cameron Jordan – DE/DT California (6-4/283)
    Senior, 2010 Team Captain. All PAC-10 First team in 2010. This years’ version of Tyson Alualu. Cameron Jordan is poised to fly up draft boards with his incredible play of late. 6 sacks in 2010 (17 in Career) so he can get to the QB. Has experience playing the 5 technique since Cal runs a 3-4 defense so will have a lower learning curve. They may have to move up a few spots to get ahead of the Jets to get him since they also need a 3-4 DE but that shouldn’t be too costly. Jordan along with a returning Ty Warren and emerging Brace and Deaderick should form a solid DL rotation.

    2A. Jeremy Beal – DE/OLB Oklahoma (6-3/267)
    Senior, 2010 Team Captain. Big-12 Defensive Lineman of the Year 2010. All Big-12 First team in 2010.
    The front seven is always a priority, especially the pass rush. Beal is a great DE/OLB prospect, and could really bring some pressure in the Patriots system. Beal has a great motor and an insane work ethic. 10 sacks in 2010 (28 in career). Has the athleticism to drop into coverage as well.

    2B. John Moffitt – G/C Wisconsin (6-5/323)
    RS Senior, 2010 Team Captain. All-Big Ten First team in 2009 and 2010. Played center before the 2009 season before switching to LG so has versatility to play both. Good size and reasonably good strength... Good run blocker, with very solid power... Very solid pass blocker... Sets up reasonably quick... Patient, can sit back in his stance and absorb contact, good anchor...This would be a good second piece to the new revamped OL and a replacement for Mankins if he leaves or a future replacement for Koppen if Mankins stays.

    3A. Leonard Hankerson – WR Miami (6-3/215)
    Senior, 2010 Team Captain. All ACC First team in 2010. Third player in Miami history to record 1000 yd season (Eddie Brown-1983, Andre Johnson-2002) and first to have 2000 yds in career and 1000 yds in a season. 12 TD’s in 2010 broke Michael Irvin’s mark of 11 set in 1986. Top Senior WR but because there are so many Junior WR’s coming out he slips a little bit. Should provide good competition for Tate/Edleman for the 3rd WR spot and could eventually be the replacement for Branch.

    3B. Daniel Thomas – RB Kansas State (6-2/228)
    Senior, 2010 Player Representative (15 players Team Captains are selected from). All Big-12 Second team in 2010. Big bruising 2 year starter that amassed 1495 yards and 16 TD’s this past year and has a career 5.3 yard avg. Also caught 25 balls per year so can be a receiving threat out of the backfield as well. Had two huge bookend games this year with 234 yds Vs. UCLA and then closed out the year with 269 yds at North Texas. Should be a good complement to BJGE and Woody.

    4. Quinton Carter – FS Oklahoma (6-1/200)
    5th yr Senior, All Big-12 First Team. 92 Tackles, 4 Int in 2010. Carter is exactly the type of versatile defensive back the Patriots are looking for to slow down the pass-happy offenses in today's game. He has played strong and free safety in Bob Stoops' defense at Oklahoma because of his physicality and speed; his ability to make the big hit, support the run, play centerfielder, or even line up in man coverage is rare among college safeties. Exceptional leader on the field and in the locker room.
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    some of my favorite:

    DE JJ Watt, Wisconsin - My overall draft binkie.

    RBs Delone Carter, Syracuse; Bilal Powell, Louisville; or Vai Taua, Nevada. Not a huge need but these are guys I like and they should be available late.

    DE/OLB conversion Brooks Reed, Arizona. Jaw dropping intensity and football speed from a tweener DE. And he shouldn't cost a high round pick. (But I think we should take an additional OLB candidate also).

    Interior OL Ryan Pugh, Auburn or Tim Barnes, Missouri. Very good college OCs who can block on the move. Welcome to the Dante Scarnecchia School for Big Uglies. :)
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    Assumptions
    - Mankins & Light re-sign

    Based on this Big Board
    Sideline Scouting - 2011 Big Board

    1a/b: TRADE UP - Nick Farley - DE - Auburn
    - get dominant at the line of scrimmage
    - trade both first rounders and maybe a 4th
    Sideline Scouting - Defensive Tackles

    2a: Justin Houston - OLB - Georgia
    - get more athletic on the outside, good bookend with Cunnigham
    Sideline Scouting - Outside Linebackers

    2b: Mikel Leshoure - RB - Illinois (HT: 6-0 - WT: 230)
    - NFL is now a two back league
    Sideline Scouting - Running Backs

    3a. Michael Pouncey - Guard/Center, Florida (HT: 6-4½ - WT: 317)
    - not as good as his brother but provides a solid backup at G/C
    Sideline Scouting - Offensive Guards

    3b. Marcus Gilchrist - S - Clemson (HT: 5-11 - WT: 190)
    - versatile, can play slot or backup at Safety
    Sideline Scouting - Cornerbacks
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    I have NEVER gotten one of BB's draft picks correct...EVER !!

    I was one of the many who said "Logan Who?" and "WTF" when Mankins got picked....

    Think I'll just sit back and enjoy the picks...whoever he decides on....At least with Spikes, I recognized the name...:eek:
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    Stephen Schilling, G Michigan - 4th
    Markus White DE/OLB FSU - 3rd
    Mark Herzlich - 4th
    Jimmy Smith Colorado s/cb - late 1st

    Mikel LeShore RB - 2nd
    Cam Heyward DE- late 1st
    Cameron Jordan DE- 1st
    Ryan Williams RB Vtech - 3rd

    Ryan Pugh - C Auburn 5th
    Alex Wujciak - ILB Maryland 6th
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    Pretty much of dream draft, if it were to happen.
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    Don't have a good feel for the top 33 yet, but I have some guys to pick up after that:

    CB Rashad Carmichael, Va Tech (5'11", 185) - Good cover, willing in run support, loves video study
    OG Danny Watkins, Baylor (6'4", 310) - Can pass protect and nasty run blocker
    WR Greg Little, UNC (6'3", 230) - Use as a 4th RB/situational WR
    OLB Ricky Elmore, Arizona (6'5", 260) - Developmental OLB, tenacious pass rusher
    OC Ryan Bartholomew, Syracuse (6'2", 298) - Smart, strong and nimble, can study behind Koppen for a year
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    My top priorities are: a DE, OL, OLB and CB. I also assumed that Pats still had Denver’s 4th round pick and New Orlean’s 6th and are without their own 5th and 7th.

    1a. New England (From Oakland) - Robert Quinn DE UNC - Quinn could be a top 5 pick if he didn't get suspended. Quinn is just way too good to pass up here. However, don’t expect it to happen, so we go for:
    Cameron Jordan DE California - . With the pick that they got for Seymour, they decide to take his replacement and I have a feeling this guy will be a huge difference maker for New England for the next decade. He has great experience playing in Cal's version of the 3-4. He is arguably the best 3-4 defensive end and it could all star at the five-technique position. Cameron Jordan has simply dominated opposing offensive lines this season for the Golden Bears and has me convinced that he may be the best five-technique of this class

    1b. Janoris Jenkins CB Florida - He is a playmaker. If Janoris Jenkins falls this far, there's no way Pats would pass him up. Jenkins has flashed the ability to shut opposing receivers down and has been fairly consistent in his days in the a Gators' uniform. A terrific athlete, Jenkins should be a coveted player come April. If Janoris Jenkins not available, then the Pats should look to Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia - Houston fits in perfectly with the young defense. Justin Houston has been flying up draft boards and may be the top pass rush specialist in the entire draft, at this point. He has been lighting it up for the Bulldogs getting into backfields and making quarterbacks pay.

    2a. I would expect this or the #32nd pick will be traded. If not, I’d look to another DE:
    JJ Watt DE Wisconsin -- is a bigger defensive end that relies on his strength more than speed. This should translate well in the 3-4. He's been taking on two and three blockers all year and has held his own but there isn't much talent around him. A beast upfront, Watt fits the bill for Bill B and New England. With the addition of Watt and Cameron in the first round the Patriots look like a lock to hold one to first place in the division.

    2b. Mike Pouncey, C/OG, Florida - An athletic interior O-lineman that can play multiple positions. Capable of playing either guard or center spot. He has a ways to go before he can match his brother's game, he's the most talented and probably highest upside interior lineman in this class. If unavailable, try Tyron Smith T USC. Huge upside could be franchise left tackle.

    3a. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado - Only if Pats not able to get Jenkins at #32. A physical corner that is capable of covering tall and physical receivers. Otherwise, look to OLB here Jeremy Beal OLB Oklahoma - Has been one of Oklahoma's best players for the past two years.

    3b. Mikel LeShoure RB Illinois - There's no way a back as talented as LeShoure should fall this far. He would be the every-down back that Pats needs. Also has soft hands of the backfield and a big body, LeShoure is the real deal.

    4. Benjamin Ijalana G Villanova - Since S Neal won't be back next year, Ijalana would be the perfect replacement for him.

    6. Will Hill FS Florida – Information from Coach Meyer as well as need position. Good by Brandon M!
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    people keep saying that the 33 pick will be traded and maybe it will, but that would as valuable to the patriots as a first rounder, if the patriots win the superbowl and im not saying they will, but if they did they would have the opening and closing picks for that day of the draft, im not sure what the rules are, but they could potentially take all night to make the 32nd and 33rd picks because nobody could push them off the clock, they could reorganize their entire board and make both picks back to back, there would be no strategy other than picking the 2 players you want, and you'd have about 14 hours to figure that out. correct me if im wrong.

    the 33rd pick contains value, it does, but it is practically another first rounder, it also has the best value of the draft with the most value to lose.

    if you traded the 33rd pick this year, it would almost have to be for a 1st next year, then you take into consideration that if the team you trade the pick to does well and get into the playoffs (and judging by how teams did this year it could be anyone) you lose so much value over the course of a year that it doesnt make sense.
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    OTOH, remember that the Pats straight up got a 2011 2nd for a late 2010 3rd. Trading #33 into 2012 would result in a 2012 1st and at least one pick in 2011.
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    Correct. It would have to be something like this years 3rd rounder and '12 1st for the #33 pick.


    OTOH trading BOTH 1st rounders to trade UP for DL Nick Fairley is absolute insanity. :bricks:
    There is NOONE in this draft worth trading two 1st rounders for.
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    Someone has already brought this scenario up once before. Day 1 of the draft does not end until the 32nd pick has been made so there is no keeping it overnight.

    People thought there would be a lot of movement last year when St.Louis had the 33rd pick and that was not the case. I find it more likely that they will trade away No 32 and move back a few spots into the 2nd round like 2009 or trade up a few spots to draft block the NY Jets.;)
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    Kinda early for me for the "naming names" thing, especially since there's a lot of "draft stock musical chairs" to go yet. OTOH, Watt is already a binkie for me. So, for now, I'll go with Watt wherever he ends up and figure out the rest as we go along.

    CB and/or FS will probably be in there somewhere along with OLB (probably NOT a "pass-rush specialist") a couple O-line guys and an RB.
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    Posted this in our other draft thread but no harm sticking it here too.


    I really think this D is that blue chip pass rusher away from being truely great. I always get tripped up later in these mocks because i really only see 3 positions in need of some immediate addressing OLB, Interior Line and OT. This Mock assumes we sign light but doesn't really assume anything about Neal and Mankins i think one or both might be gone. I am hoping Mankins Stays though.

    1a.) Robert Quinn 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB - If he doesn't Fall - Kerrigan DE/OLB

    He provides the unquestionable athletic ability and Pass rush that this D is missing and in my opinion is the final piece to this defense's retooling. Stick him opposite cunningham on passing downs with wright and pryor in the middle and let them go at it.

    1b.) J. J. Watt DE 3-4

    After Olb A solid young true 3-4 de would be great to create some interior pass rush. Hopefully Watt is the answer here. Although i know we have some good young talent at the position. I don't think thats any reason to not stock up the defensive front. If he pans out like we'd all hope it's set this defense up for years

    2a.) Stephen Wisniewski C

    Would like someone in there to be fighting Koppen/Connely for a starting spot and if not beating them out at least providing some depth on the line. Hopefully he can turn out for the pats as well as maukice pouncey did for Pit.


    2b.) Trading Up using our 6th. Tyron Smith OT USC

    Another Olineman to protect Brady and develop behind Light and Vollmer. If you don't like him personally then insert your OT prospect here. But I think a good young tackle to hopefully compete with Kakzur is a good thing.

    Now from this point on my mock differs a little bit from some others i am trading one of our 3rd's for a 2012 2nd and our of our 4th for a 2012 3rd. leaving us with 3rd (vikings) 5th,7th

    3.) DeMarco Murray, RB, Oklahoma

    In alot of drafts Murray has slipped but i think he would be good value here and this pick is predicated upon Fred Taylor moving on. I could have gone CB here. But i think he is that Back sort of in between BJGE and Woody and offers a real home run threat.

    5.) Tim Barnes, C Missouri or DE - Sam Acho - Texas

    Another late round value pick who has been projected from round 3-5 so if we can get him here it's nice value... another body for the interior line

    or

    A Pass Rush Specialist - I really couldn't bare another season of seeing kyle Arrington coming off the edge. Acho has dropped down alot of boards but i hear he is still considered a good athlete with some pash rushing ability. Once again if you don't like him per se insert your pass rush binky here.

    7.) Mcelroy QB Alabama

    Lower round prospect smart kid and hopefully can be groomed behind tom and be another late round gem

    I didn't pick up any CB's or Safety because i think with the talent we have already at the position... we should be just fine if we keep the players we want in our existing secondary. Bodden will be back leaving our cb's as Bodden, McCourty, Butler, Arrington, Wilhite (pretty solid Group)

    At Saftey we have Merriweather, Chung, Sanders, Page, McGowan and Brown to choose from.

    I think the depth and youth at these positions is adequate enough not to need addressing this draft... then again bb could go saftey cb as his 1st 2 picks hahaha

    I didn't address ILB because i think Mayo, Spikes, Guyton, Fletcher is a perfectly complimentary rotation for their skill sets.

    At Wr this one is tricky... I could have Gone WR in round 3 instead of trading the pick away. But with the emergence of the TE's and still having Tate, Price, Edelman as the young WR's where Edelman and Price don't see many reps atm because of the TE's and Woodhead. I just didn't think it was necessary quite yet but i understand if someone differs.

    So in total this leaves us with the positions filled of OLB (Hopefully a Stud), DE, C/G, OT, RB and late round QB.

    Hope everyone thought the draft was ok
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    It's a choice: have all night to pick the player YOU most want v. trade down and get more picks.

    The Rams got offers, but none compelling enough to give up their favored prospect.

    BB's draft philosophy, though, makes it all but certain he'll find an offer compelling enough to trade down.
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    and that pick ended up being their starting LT or RT so it was the right decision by them
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    Boise St vs Utah tonight at 8.Some names to keep an eye on.

    Boise St-98-Ryan Winterswyk-Had a down year.
    1-Titus Young-Explosive playmaker at wr.

    Utah-27-Brandon Burton-CB
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    I've gotten one player selected I had as a pick in the last 10 drafts. One!

    Patrick Chung....... I'll just read all the posts and comments and enjoy the show as BB proves us all wrong again..........
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