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  1. Gainzo

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    #11 Jersey

    We live in the most violent industrial nation in the World. The USA, unfortunately, leads the industrial world in murders, rapes, violent crimes, etc.

    Why is that? The UK, Australia, and every other industrial nation doesn't even come close when in comes to those stats. Any thoughts on this?
     
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    That doesn't sound right -- what is your source, and how are they defining industrial nations?
     
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    #54 Jersey

    The first thing to do would be to provide a source. Are you using Census stats, FBI stats, UN stats for international rates, etc.? I'm not trying to be difficult, but a frame of reference would be helpful.
     
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    #54 Jersey

    A good question. Russia is pretty damned industrialized, and I know for a fact they have much higher crime rates, across the board.
     
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    Unions............
     
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    #11 Jersey

    I went to the FBI site but this link isn't working FBI — Preliminary Semiannual Uniform Crime Report, January-June, 2010

    How any American can say that this isn't the most dangerous Country in the World is beyond me.

    There is a lot of bad stuff going on here
     
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    Maybe because some of us have been to other places that seemed that they would be worse?

    Since you're saying it is, you should be able to supply a source for your claim rather than express your bewilderment that anybody might disagree.

    And you're now saying most dangerous in the world -- not industrialized. maybe that was a slip?

    Regardless, I've been to parts of Africa that certainly seemed worse. and Central America. And I don't know whether Australia is truly an industrial nation (again, just wondering about your definition). Nikolai brings up Russia.


    Sure, in absolute terms. We're a pretty big country.

    In relative terms? Don't know -- need to see some data and figure out what we're actually talking about.

    I know I've lived in 4 major cities, a couple suburban areas and a couple rural areas, and I've never been a victim of a violent crime (knock on wood). A friend was murdered many years ago. A few friends were mugged when we were living in NYC years ago.

    Sadly, the crime I know of most is date rape -- several women I've known were raped in their teens and early 20s by classmates or other dates. :(
     
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    Double post - sorry
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Some stats on murder to get ya started:

    The US homicide rate, which has declined substantially since 1991, is still among the highest in the industrialized world. There were 17,034 murders in the United States in 2006[28] (666,160 murders from 1960 to 1996).[29] In 2004, there were 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 persons, roughly three times as high as Canada (1.9) and six times as high as Germany (0.9).Most industrialized countries had homicide rates below the 2.5 mark

    Crime in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=699

    Rape statistics:


    Rank Countries Amount

    # 1 South Africa: 1.19538 per 1,000 people

    # 2 Seychelles: 0.788294 per 1,000 people

    # 3 Australia: 0.777999 per 1,000 people

    # 4 Montserrat: 0.749384 per 1,000 people

    # 5 Canada: 0.733089 per 1,000 people

    # 6 Jamaica: 0.476608 per 1,000 people

    # 7 Zimbabwe: 0.457775 per 1,000 people

    # 8 Dominica: 0.34768 per 1,000 people

    # 9 United States: 0.301318 per 1,000 people

    # 10 Iceland: 0.246009 per 1,000 people

    # 11 Papua New Guinea: 0.233544 per 1,000 people

    # 12 New Zealand: 0.213383 per 1,000 people

    # 13 United Kingdom: 0.142172 per 1,000 people

    # 14 Spain: 0.140403 per 1,000 people

    # 15 France: 0.139442 per 1,000 people

    # 16 Korea, South: 0.12621 per 1,000 people

    # 17 Mexico: 0.122981 per 1,000 people

    # 18 Norway: 0.120836 per 1,000 people

    # 19 Costa Rica: 0.118277 per 1,000 people

    # 20 Venezuela: 0.115507 per 1,000 people

    # 21 Finland: 0.110856 per 1,000 people

    # 22 Netherlands: 0.100445 per 1,000 people

    # 23 Denmark: 0.0914948 per 1,000 people

    # 24 Germany: 0.0909731 per 1,000 people

    # 25 Bulgaria: 0.0795973 per 1,000 people

    # 26 Chile: 0.0782179 per 1,000 people

    # 27 Thailand: 0.0626305 per 1,000 people

    # 28 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0623785 per 1,000 people

    # 29 Poland: 0.062218 per 1,000 people

    # 30 Sri Lanka: 0.0599053 per 1,000 people

    # 31 Hungary: 0.0588588 per 1,000 people

    # 32 Estonia: 0.0547637 per 1,000 people

    # 33 Ireland: 0.0542829 per 1,000 people

    # 34 Switzerland: 0.0539458 per 1,000 people

    # 35 Belarus: 0.0514563 per 1,000 people

    # 36 Uruguay: 0.0512295 per 1,000 people

    # 37 Lithuania: 0.0508757 per 1,000 people

    # 38 Malaysia: 0.0505156 per 1,000 people

    # 39 Romania: 0.0497089 per 1,000 people

    # 40 Czech Republic: 0.0488234 per 1,000 people

    # 41 Russia: 0.0486543 per 1,000 people

    # 42 Latvia: 0.0454148 per 1,000 people

    # 43 Moldova: 0.0448934 per 1,000 people

    # 44 Colombia: 0.0433254 per 1,000 people

    http://paandu.com/report-crime/sex-crimes/rape-statistics-by-country-australia
     
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    Loons ............
     
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    #11 Jersey

    17,000 people were murdered in this Country in 2006. 17,000. Think about that.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    I think it's off the mark.

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    The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online
     
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    without context, that's meaningless

    (I mean, it sucks for them, but for purposes of discussion or analysis, it's meaningless.)

    What's that, roughly, 1 in 18,000? Seems like a higher figure than we'd (realistically) want, but really need to look at that versus hISTORICAL #S here in the US and same-year #s abroad to start getting a feel for the magnitude of the problem and any trends.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    I'd say that our numbers are as high as they are largely due to the disastrous "war on drugs". Heck, we've even turned Mexico into a war zone.
     
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    #54 Jersey

    I'm going to try and say this as respectfully as possible, because I really don't mean offense, but you really should get out and see the world.

    Hang out in Moscow or Rostov-on-Don or Novosibirsk on a warm summer evening (speaking English will enhance the effect). Try Rio in January, or, like Chico said, any number of African cities. I felt much more in danger hanging out in London than I ever did in Boston. Yes, some cities in the US, like DC, Baltimore, St. Louis and Chicago are pretty bad, but we're far from the most dangerous country in the world. Even in the industrialized world, it's not that bad, and people who suggest that are making themselves appear naive and sheltered.
     
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    [​IMG] :confused:
     
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    And, even when we say cities in the US are "bad" we're just talking about pockets. I lived in Chicago for years and was worried exactly once -- because I was walking through a pretty notorious housing project at night.

    Compare that to Johannesburg, where even during the day stopping at lights seemed risky, as we tried to get through the city as fast as possible.
     
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    There are parts of the US that are bad, but overall do you feel safe??

    99.9% of the time I feel protected, stats are difficult to understand, because every country does not have the sophisticated reporting systems that the US and other industrialized have.

    In the US there is uniform crime reporting by every local and state police department, so essentially everything gets into a data base... until they same method is employed world wide, any comparison is difficult unless you are on Fox News...
     
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