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  1. Born_a_Patriot

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    Lets look at Branch this way.

    He wanted top 5 or top 10 money but he is not even top 20 he might have been #1 to us but come on he is dreaming.
    Top Receivers
    1.Chad Johnson, CIN
    2. Steve Smith, CAR
    3. Terrell Owens, DAL
    4. Marvin Harrison, IND
    5. Torry Holt, STL
    6. Larry Fitzgerald, ARZ
    7. Randy Moss, OAK
    8. Anquan Boldin, ARZ
    9. Reggie Wayne, IND
    10. Darrell Jackson, SEA
    11. Chris Chambers, MIA
    12. Hines Ward, PIT
    13. Santana Moss, WAS
    14. Donald Driver, GB
    15. Roy Williams, DET
    16. Plaxico Burress, NYG
    17. T.J. Houshmandzadeh, CIN
    18. Lee Evans, BUF
    19. Javon Walker, DEN
    20. Joe Horn, NO
    21. Donte Stallworth, PHI
    22. Andre Johnson, HOU
    23. Joey Galloway, TB
    24. Derrick Mason, BAL
    25. Muhsin Muhammad, CHI
    26. Eddie Kennison, KC
    27. Deion Branch, NE
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    What standings are those based upon?

    Yards? Catches, TD's

    YPC????????

    Yahoo Fantasy Rankings?

    I think this hurts the Patriots ability to stretch the field.

    Who is Reche Caldwell?
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    What is the organizing principle of this list? Is this your own ranking, or based on some stat or set of stats?

    I'm not sure how informative this is by itself. Would you really tout Plaxico over Deion, for example? Or even Chambers?
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    YEAHHHH!!!!! YET ANOTHER BRANCH THREAD!!!!! I LOVE THIS PLACE!

    how about taking something from the team we follow and moving past this. Please lets leave this as the last reply to this thread ( I still have no idea what was in the original post.... guess why :)
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    #75 Jersey

    Is this list based just on the 2006 year??

    Or for the next couple of years??
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    I'd put Branch in the top 20, but he is almost certainly not in the top 15. Unless the Pats crop of wide receivers is a complete disaster this year, we will look back on this Branch trade as a good deal.
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    This is a ranking I got from about.com, but look at this from 2004

    And this http://www.fftoday.com/rankings/playerrank.php?o=2&Season=2005&PosID=30

    Rotisserie By The Numbers: The Top 50 Wide Receivers
    By Craig Rondinone SportsTicker Contributing Writer

    BRISTOL, Connecticut (Ticker) -- Here is some sage fantasy football draft advice: Do not draft Koren Robinson, David Boston or Todd Pinkston.

    Hey, this is why I get the big bucks. Robinson is too busy getting busted for DWIs to worry about catching footballs, Boston is too busy pumping iron trying to be Mr. America to worry about staying healthy for an entire season, and Pinkston is too busy tearing his Achilles to worry about keeping Terrell Owens' feet out of his mouth. So cross these three receivers off your cheat sheet.

    As for the rest of the receivers in fantasy football, here are numbers 1-50 heading into the 2005 season, starting with the most dangerous wideout in football, the man going from purple to silver and black.

    1. Randy Moss, Raiders: Back in black and the main target in a vertical passing attack, Moss is primed for a 1,600-yard, 17-TD kind of year.

    2. Chad Johnson, Bengals: With Carson Palmer ready to become a full-fledged superstar, Johnson should have plenty of time to trash talk in the end zone.

    3. Marvin Harrison, Colts: His catches and yards went down last year with Reggie Wayne and Brandon Stokley seeing so many balls, but his 15 touchdowns tied his career high.

    4. Terrell Owens, Eagles: The perfect advertisement for what makes a terrific fantasy receiver and what makes a terrible teammate. If he gets on the field and keeps his mouth shut, he will be awesome again.

    5. Torry Holt, Rams: It does not sound like Rams head coach Mike Martz is looking to implement a wishbone offense anytime soon.

    6. Javon Walker, Packers: He is mad as hell at Brett Favre and the Packers organization, and he is ready to take out his frustrations on NFC defensive backs.

    7. Andre Johnson, Texans: Finished with 976 yards in his rookie season and 1,142 in his second season. Possibly 1,300 in his third?

    8. Reggie Wayne, Colts: Actually finished 2004 with more receiving yards than Harrison.

    9. Drew Bennett, Titans: Had 47 receptions for 859 yards and 10 touchdowns during his final eight games last season.

    10. Hines Ward, Steelers: Is Plaxico Burress' departure a blessing because Ward will have more passes thrown his way, or a curse because now defenses can double team him more?

    11. Joe Horn, Saints: Caught passes for 1,399 yards and 11 scores last season, largely because his hands were free because of no cell phones.

    12. Michael Clayton, Buccaneers: Rookie receivers are supposed to struggle their rookie season, but Clayton had 80 catches for 1,193 yards in his initial campaign.

    13. Darrell Jackson, Seahawks: Finished 2004 with 87 receptions and 1,199 yards. Imagine how much better those numbers could have been if he did not drop so many passes?

    14. Muhsin Muhammad, Bears: No way he catches 16 touchdown passes again this season with Chad Hutchinson throwing him the ball.

    15. Donald Driver, Packers: Amassed over 1,200 yards in a fantastic comeback year in 2004.

    16. Derrick Mason, Ravens: Last time I checked, Kyle Boller and the conservative Baltimore offense does not produce many 1,000-yard receivers.

    17. Nate Burleson, Vikings: The super speed burner needs to step up for Daunte Culpepper with Moss gone.

    18. Laveranues Coles, Jets: Old friend Chad Pennington will find ways to get Coles deeper down the field and into the end zone once again.

    19. Anquan Boldin, Cardinals: Write off his injury-plagued 2004 season because he will bounce back.

    20. Chris Chambers, Dolphins: He will never reach the 1,000-yard plateau if Miami keeps trotting out CFL and World League caliber quarterbacks.

    21. Ashley Lelie, Broncos: His 20.1 yards per catch last season made him one the top performers in distance fantasy leagues.

    22. Plaxico Burress, Giants: With all the hype he gets in fantasy circles, the man with the funny first name only has a pair of 1,000-yard seasons in five years.

    23. Brandon Stokley, Colts: The best No. 3 receiver in fantasy football.

    24. Isaac Bruce, Rams: Father Time and cornerbacks still have trouble covering this veteran.

    25. Jerry Porter, Raiders: Poised for a breakout year with Randy Moss garnering all of the attention from opposing secondaries.

    26. Lee Evans, Bills: This is the season he blows by Eric Moulds and becomes Buffalo's top fantasy receiver.

    27. Roy Williams, Lions: A nagging ankle injury and the inaccuracy of Joey Harrington were the only reasons he did not break the 1,000-yard barrier in his rookie season.

    28. Steve Smith, Panthers: Carolina must think his speed and quickness will return after missing almost all of last season with a broken leg or else Muhammad would have been re-signed.

    29. Larry Fitzgerald, Cardinals: His Dwyane Wade-like leaping ability helped him grab eight touchdown catches in his first pro season.

    30. Braylon Edwards, Browns: I am biased because I am a Michigan fan, but there is no way he turns out to be another Desmond Howard.

    31. Eric Moulds, Bills: This aging pass catcher is still certainly good enough for 900 yards.

    32. Eddie Kennison, Chiefs: Kansas City likes dumping passes off to Priest Holmes and Tony Gonzalez, but when it comes to passing downfield to receivers, who else can Trent Green throw to? Freddie Mitchell? Samie Parker?

    33. Deion Branch, Patriots: The Super Bowl MVP might go a lot higher than he should at fantasy drafts.

    34. Santana Moss, Redskins: The running races in practice between Moss and Clinton Portis should be interesting.

    35. Jimmy Smith, Jaguars: There is no indication that he cannot have another 1,000-yard season.

    36. Charles Rogers, Lions: I hope he had an IV with milk in it hooked up to his collarbones all offseason.

    37. T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Bengals: If you can pronounce his name correctly at your draft you will end up with a 900-yard receiver.

    38. Keary Colbert, Panthers: The USC product looks like a great sleeper pick.

    39. Greg Lewis, Eagles: With Pinkston out for the season and T.O. always in danger of being suspended, traded or banished, Lewis will see plenty of passes this season.

    40. Rod Smith, Broncos: I swear he was good friends with Moses back in the day, but he still has enough speed and guile to get in the 1,000-yard range.

    41. Amani Toomer, Giants: Nagging leg injuries robbed him of a sixth-consecutive 1,000-yard season last year.

    42. Justin McCareins, Jets: New York's new offensive coordinator knows McCareins from their days in Tennessee and should know how to use his big body inside the red zone more often.

    43. Keyshawn Johnson, Cowboys: Dallas did nothing to upgrade their receiving corps during the offseason.

    44. Antwaan Randle El, Steelers: He is going to be much more than a kick returner and gadget play specialist now than Burress has flown away.

    45. David Givens, Patriots: Do not believe for a moment that new arrival David Terrell with cut into Givens' catches.

    46. Donte Stallworth, Saints: He went through the entire 2004 season without a hamstring injury and still stunk.

    47. Mike Williams, Lions: Looks like a great young receiver. Too bad Detroit already has two just like him.

    48. Peerless Price, Falcons: He went from being a 1,000-yard receiver in Buffalo to being a 500-yard receiver in Atlanta.

    49. Keenan McCardell, Chargers: Experienced and sure-handed, but not a difference maker on a fantasy team.

    50. Reggie Williams, Jaguars: Jacksonville drafting a receiver in the first round this year leads me to believe they might not be sold on their first-rounder from last year.
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    Not sure how these rankings are parsed. Regardless, stats and rankings based on stats are useful to a certain extent, but they're hardly the last word. Are guys like Wayne, Santana Moss, Driver, Roy Williams, Plaxico, Evans and such better than Deion? Further, should Trent Green be paid as much as or more than Payton because Green threw for more yards last year? Should Derrick Burgess be paid four times more than Seymour because he put up 16 sacks to Sey's four?
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    We should stop talking about an overpaid Seattle Seahawks WR. Let's all talk about the Pats, their players and the road ahead. If Tom Brady is over it, so am I. Deion thanks for the memories but the Patriots have some football to play.
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    My thinking too. The list has a strong fantasy football slant to it. Deion's not a TD machine, but I suspect he would be more desirable to most QBs and coaches than Plaxico, Joe Horn, and a few others in that crowd. I do think Wayne is a special talent...but look how he did against our makeshift secondary in the 2005 divisional playoffs! I believe Randall Gay was covering him...
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    You guys are right, in a sense...but it has only been a few days since the trade itself. These things have a way of passing away over time... naturally.
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    I think once we have an established WR group we will all move on.
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    How about we pretend that on the first drive of the first game, DB got hurt and was placed on the IR on Monday. Terrible news but it happens and we move on. Then the draft fairy came by and dropped off a first rounder under BB's pillow and the Commish granted the Pats a hardship exception to allow his salary not to count against the cap.

    Guess it wasn't as bad as it could have been...
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    So what your saying is, you'll be posting Branch threads for a few more weeks, months? What will you be posting when Branch is highlighted by ESPN for giving Seattle some great catches? Are you going to continue to dump on him if Seattle goes to the Superbowl and he is outstanding?
    BTW, the list is a joke. Randy Moss, Santana Moss, Nate Burleson, Coles, Ashley Lelie, etc. Glad you don't let your emotions get the best of you. You might hate Branch for holding out, but don't take away from his skills as a clutch wr. How many of those receivers would you rather have catching the ball with the game on the line?
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