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  1. PatriotsReign

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    Yes, I'd love to have one very soon!

    If the majority vote to move toward socialism, then we go socialist. If they don't, then no politician has the right to attempt to move OUR country in that direction.

    As it stands today, no politician has the right to attempt to move OUR country toward socialism.

    Agree or disagree, please state your case.
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    It does not matter what we think anymore. They are going to do whatever they want to do.
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    After the protracted cries of socialism! socialism! by the right and in the media over the health care reform (with its necessarily implicit pejorative), you're playing with a stacked deck a bit, aren't you?

    Yet we know that policies that are to certain extents socialistic (e.g., social security, medicaid, and medicare) are popular with the American people. So to propose other possibly socialistic policies without the pejorative wrapped around them and you've got a better indication of what people really think, without having been lead.
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    Kinda an interesting question....

    We'd have to first assume the election wasn't rigged. So lets assume its a perfect world...



    I think with all the yankee doodle stars and stripes being shoved down peeople's throats since the pledge of alliegence...You would have a hard time finding 50% of the public who actually KNOW what socialism is. You certainly have a good 20% (Tea-baggers) who are scared $#!Tless about it now. All you'd need to do to keep the status quo would be to 'Ultra-Patriotize' (new word) 30% of the public. I'm sure a bomb going off somewhere would accomplish that...

    I bet you'd get a split in our nation @

    75% Capitalistic Representative Democracy (Status Quo)
    15% Socialism
    5% other
    5% dont care


    I'd love to see the vote though...you never know.
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    Most moderates from either party do not support increased social programs. And moderates make up the majority of Americans.

    I understand what you're saying, but as we move further toward socialism and our debt increases along with taxes, I'm sure fewer and fewer Americans would favor increased social programs.

    Just watch as we move forward into 2010, you'll see more and more Americans demanding that we stop with the spending and the programs.

    I'd never give 50% of MY salary to our gov't....very, very few would be willing to do so.

    Americans always want the dream to be wealthy a reality. They don't want it to be more and more difficult for that to be achieved. After working hard for 28 years, why would I want my gov't to allow others who haven't worked as hard to "catch-up" to people like me?
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    This administration is merely proceeding in the direction of the platform that they ran on. (and was voted in on, by popular demand)

    If the people don't like this, they will vote in new leaders with new agendas.

    Ah, democracy. Funny how it works.
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    That's fair Holy one....we agree.
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    I wuv it!:D

    Since you're new, I'll tell you that I voted for Obama and what he's been doing is not exactly the platform he ran on...nor an extension of it.
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    Please explain in detail how what he's doing does not comport with his election platform.
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    I would agree. BUT, all of the things this administration is doing that conservatives would call "socialist", are all things that were promised during the campaign. People knew what they were voting for.

    :cool:

    (Now the corporate welfare that they didn't campaign on, that's not socialism at all, of course :D)
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    Change we can believe in.

    Nothing has changed.
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    Gee, I don't have his platform on the top of my head. If you'd like to spend the time looking it up, then post it here and I'll reply. I don't have that kind of time on my hands.

    I do recall he said he'd revamp health care to make it affordable and available to all. He said nothing about transforming it to a gov't program.

    He said he would NOT raise taxes on middle class Americans as defined by those under $225K....think he'll stick to that one?
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    Now, to be fair, that number was down closer to $100k by the end of the campaign. :p
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    Nobody should weasel out of attempts to support their claims.

    It's hardly becoming a government program (I wish it was!) considering its reliance on private insurance companies.

    You can bump this thread when it happens.
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    Don't know if you're kidding or not, but no, he never lowered it one bit.
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    I'll tell you this just once...If a reply requires me to spend valuable time looking things up, I'm not going to do it. This place isn't important enough for me to do that....is it important enough for you to do that?
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    I don't remember it fully, but I think Biden made some kind of remark about it. I think he misspoke. I wasn't being fully serious. ;)
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    I guess if you live in a cave, you might believe something like this.
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    By signing the SCHIP bill into law, he raised taxes to the people who can least afford it.

    Who smokes more, the rich or the poor. Last I checked they were almost $8.00 a pack here in MA. God knows what they are in NYC.
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    So in other words, you have nothing (newsflash: Obama has not advocated transforming the health care industry into a government program). Gotcha.

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