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  1. Real World

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    The end for this country is near.


    LET ALIENS VOTE: ACTIVISTS

    By FRANKIE EDOZIEN
    February 20, 2007 -- Immigrant-rights activists yesterday renewed their push to allow legal noncitizens to vote in the Big Apple.

    A bill that would grant permanent residents and other legal immigrants the right to vote in municipal elections has been stalled in the City Council since last year.

    "More than 50,000 adult noncitizen taxpayers in those two districts are disenfranchised by citizenship voting laws," said Cheryl Wertz, of New Immigrant Community Empowerment, referring to today's special election for council seats in Brooklyn and Staten Island.

    Councilman Charles Barron (D-Brooklyn), the sponsor of the Voting Rights Restoration Act, said that years ago, when immigrants were mostly European, they had voting rights.

    "Then when the complexion of immigrants changes, then all of a sudden, the laws change," he said.

    Ron Hayduk, a CUNY professor, concurred, saying immigrants voted in national elections from 1776 through 1926.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/0220200...e__activists_regionalnews_frankie_edozien.htm
     
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    #75 Jersey

    They are already allowed to vote in school board elections, and they illegally vote in regular elections.

    I once popped a drug dealer in NYC, he had 13 voter ID cards on him. I asked him how he got them, and he said that the Democrats come to the homeless shelter on election day and drive them around to the different precints and he voted for Dinkins soemthing like 14 times!

    Not only was this man, not a US citizen, he had 14 felony convicitons for selling marijuana.

    In this computer age, how we can not wipe non-citizens and felons from the voter rolls is idiotic.
     
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    NYC and Dinkins ha, ha ,ha oh Jesus do you all remember that friggin a$s hole Dinkins, he was worse than George McGovern, when that whiny screwy sap McGovern was running for President he was in Boston and the Hells Angels wanted to fly their sh!t flag over the State House, Mc Govern said "He didn't see any harm in it"

    Looney Left Wing Liberalism will destroy America

    Osama Bin Laden is in love with Auntie Pelosi.

    :bricks:
     
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    That's disturbing.
     
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    "Councilman Charles Barron (D-Brooklyn), the sponsor of the Voting Rights Restoration Act, said that years ago, when immigrants were mostly European, they had voting rights."

    That's a pretty good argument.
     
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    Say what? It was 1926. Good arguement? We had segregation once, is that a good arguement? Plus, this clown tried to make it a racist issue by saying that we only prevent voting because latino's come here now. Bullsh!it. In 1926 it was all Europeans coming here. Latino's are all first generation, meaning their mass emigration to this country has been in the last 3 decades. Talk about an asswipe bum this guy is. Race card baiting fool. I hate that crap. Whenever I see the word "disenfranchised" I know it's 90% BS.
     
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    Listen Republihakc, It seems to me that if (and I'm assuming what he says is true) we used to allow European illegals to vote, then why not allow Latino illegals to vote? What's the difference? The reason we don't want Latinos to vote is the same reason that in many states exfelons cannot vote -- the majority are poor and poor people of color tend to vote Democratic. AND YOU KNOW IT!
     
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    Frauders, we used to do it in 1926. Hello? That's when there was a massive invasion of immigrants into this country, and when we changed the laws as they stand now. Do some research before you quickly side with a politician with a (D) next to his name. There was a reason we changed the laws. Hello? We don't want people who are not americans voting and deciding our policy. They have no clue what this country stands for, yet you want to let them decide how actual americans should live. No surprise though, you know how they'd all vote, as does the clown politician in question, so why not let them eh?
     
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    I've listened to Charles Barron speak, you will never convince me that he is not an agenda driven racist.

    So let me see if I underststand his thought process here. Someone breaks in to your house ("country"), and he thinks it's a good idea to allow that individual a say in how your money is spent, up to and including alloting some of that money for himself.

    Hmmm, good deal if you can get away with it.
     
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    If we don't give illegals driver's licenses, they will drive illegally. If we don't allow them to pay income tax, they will earn all their money off the books. If we don't allow them to get educated, they will not learn English. One solution is to kick out all the illegals, but if that solution does not happen, we have to deal with the fact that 11 million illegals are here. To Americanize them would at least introduce them to our values and our language. The reality is they are here, and if the right continues to ignore that fact, the right is going to lose. Our American culture is threatened by illegals because we don't do enough to make illegals part of our American culture. For righties, it's a lousy problem -- I understand that. But, assuming that we're not going to kick them out (and that's very apparent, I think), it makes sense to Americanize them.
     
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    You need some real help. There are 20 million illegals in this country. If you hand them all citizenship, you'll get 20 million more red inkers dependent upon the government, and looking for welfare hand outs. Of course, you like that, cuz they'd vote for your buddies like this race baiting politician from NY.
     
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    I'm not saying give them all citizenship, but give them a path to citizenship. I would be all for illegals getting citizenship provided they learn to speak English fluently, they study American history and values, perhaps do some community service, and otherwise obey the law. Sure, they'll vote Democratic, but let's face it the right-wing has never succeeded in holding back the tide of change. The right-wing of yesteryear was anti-gay, racist, against equal rights for women, opposed the 40 hour work week, objected to OSHA and the FDA, etc. Do you honestly think you're forever going to deny rights to 20 million people? The best you can hope for is to co-opt them, and the religious right made some real headway in that regard with Latinos.
     
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    So what about all those people who obeyed the law, and are waiting for their legitimate chance to gain entry into this country?

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.............on the rest of your partisan drivel. Dems and Repubs are many things. The way some of you in here paint dems one way, or repubs the other, is comical. I find it especially funny when it's those who preach tolerance, and criticize stereotyping that do it.

    As for illegals, the sooner they kick them all out the better. We have laws in this country. Respect them. I've been paying for illegals with too much of my own money, while the american middle class suffers.
     
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    Right wing idealism, almost a contradiction in terms if you ask me. You want a perfect solution and something that you regard as perfectly fair. That's nice, but it ain't going to happen. Given R-E-A-L-I-T-Y, shouldn't we try to at least Americanize illegals -- help them learn our language, culture, and laws?

    RW, pay attention. I was talking about right-wing politics, not party politics. Now go back and read what I said in that light. Obviously, at some point the Democrats and Republicans began to switch on roles on civil rights, but right wing is still right wing.

    It's not going to happen. Period. The Democrats don't support it. And the Republicans don't support it. It's a nice idea, maybe, but you need to come up with a realistic approach or you end up with nothing, and at the end of the day, the illegals are still here, chipping away day by day at American culture. I want the illegals to learn English, get driver's license, pay taxes, learn about American history and culture. etc. I also think we need to find a way to close our borders so we have better control of who comes to our country.
     
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    The only reason why Amnesty is going to happen is V-O-T-E-S. Sell-outs, like yourself, make up about 70% of american politicians. We tried Amnesty in the 80's remember. It was supposed to be a one-time deal. Joe Taxpayer got Fukced then, and he's going to get fukced now. See, for people like you, and fony fraud politicians, it's about securing future votes, and not about protecting the life quality of those who are actually americans. Anything to get elected right? Why isn't deportation reality? We don't have to boot them all tomorrow. Seal the border, and then kick their illegal arses out in time. Why should I pity a thief? All those illegals knew full well they were breaking the law when they illegally entered this country. Accountability right? Oh, I forgot, you don't know what that means. Joe Taxpayer gets fukced again.
     
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    Did they sneak into the country, were they criminals?
     
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    Taken from the excerpt in the first post in this thread:

    "A bill that would grant permanent residents and other legal immigrants the right to vote..."
    [Boldface added by me]

    I thought this thread could use some grounding in reality.

    As a rule I'd say the answer should be no; but I'm not particularly firm about it.
     
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    I say no too. Patters want illegals to vote though. He knows 90% of them would vote Dem, which is why. So much for Dems being for the middle class then eh?
     
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    #75 Jersey

    And who exactly would make that determination? New York City already PROHIBITS ITS POLICE, HOSPITALS (because NYC owns the hospitals and signs people up for Medicad, you foot the bill for every illegal in NYC, congradulations everyone!!) AND SCHOOLS from contacting DHS, who exactly woudl they know who is "legal"?
     
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    Either the INS has paper work on the 'alien' in question or it doesn't. I don't understand your question.
     

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