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    Good piece, the one thing i do not get is him not allowing her to get medical treatment..
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    This happens all the time in abuse cases. Guy will basically not let the woman go to the hospital as the doctors by law have to call the cops if they find it was caused by abuse.
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    Great link.
    I missed the bit about 'him not allowing her to get medical treatment' - link?
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    Was Moss really in Florida any time during the past month or so?
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    No, she would be at his place of business (not a joke).

    Something does not sound right about all of this. If she is doing this, Moss has every right to sue her in court for defamation. Also, what is this accident that he is talking about. Man, I want to believe Randy, but unless this person is just a complete fraud, something just sounds fishy.
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    Maybe he spilled coffee on her? Maybe he accidently slammed the door on her? Maybe they were playing touch football with a group and he ran over her? Maybe she didn't think much of it at the time then afterwards someone suggested its her way to get rich quick.

    Obviously something happenned since Moss calls it an accident. And the "pay us or we'll go to the media" instead of "as soon as moss is gone i'm going to the police" or "you hit my sister/friend i'm gonna f u up" angle makes him sound more credible to me anyways
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    Yeah this does sound fishy but I look at it from his view. Why didnt she seek care after he left and why werent the police called? Why was there no witnesses? Was it an argument his neighbors heard? This came right out of the blue and no one is coming out saying they colaborate her story. Why is this? Usually people are throwing themselves to help out a battered woman not this time. All seems extreemly fishy.
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    I can relate what happen to someone I know very well.
    He was having a heated discussion with his girl friend in a car. He wasn't looking right at her. He turned vigoursly to face her meaning to rest his arm
    on top of the seat and his hand "ACCIDENTLY" hit this womans face causing
    a scratch. What followed was a restraining order and whole bunch of garbage when the scum bag lawyers got involved.

    Point is "Accidents do happen."

    but in our society there is no such thing as a simple accident like,
    Randy suggested, ... rather it's an open wound for blood sucking lawyers.
    They will suck you dry if they can and the only way to prevent mortal
    death is to get your own blood sucking lawyer.
    This is America where there are NO accidents.
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    One point that raised eyebrows:

    I dunno, like, maybe that "R" tattoo or that Superman tattoo? :bricks:
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    Sorry, but in this type of restraining order/domestic abuse case, very rarely are there any "blood sucking lawyers" around, to use your phrase. Generally, it is driven not by a lawyer, but by one party's intense hatred of the other party, or need for revenge, or an attempt to gain an advantage in a child custody case (you can't see your kids if there is a restraining order in place.)
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    Just heard on D & C, not all that reliable, but they are hearing that she hurt her hand in a moment of intimacy..i.e. doing the wild thing, and it was allegedly accidental.
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    From the McCann article: "I do not believe either the Patriots or NFL will punish Moss, at least until the Jan. 28 hearing takes place. If it is determined at the hearing, however, that Moss physically assaulted Washington, he could face punishment under the NFL's player conduct policy, including immediate suspension."

    Well, as far as I know, there's nothing that would compel Moss to appear at the hearing on January 28th and he doesn't have to give a reason for not doing so. It could be as something as simple as his not wanting ever to have anything to do with this women again.

    And, if the judge at that time entered an order based only on her testimony and what we know so far, it may well not be "proof" that an assault occurred--just that there was a reasonable basis to grant the permanent injunction. If Moss chooses not to contest this, nothing further can be read into that fact.
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    Like she got her hand pinched in the handcuffs?
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    This is his friend for 11 years. Randy's interview did not reveal any
    "intense hatred". The fact they are asking for a 6 figure gift tells me
    flat out there are blood sucking lawyers involved.
    If our laws would limit such suits to $25000 or less +
    medical expense allowed by most insurance companies and
    any reasonable replacement of property losses and cut out all the pain and
    suffering and other intangible nonsense the blood sucking lawyers would
    disappear.
    ... and so would cases like this.
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    I don't have a law degree but if this is what you wanted I probabaly could have given you as much insight into this matter, the actual particulars about which we know next to nothing...

    His closing kinda sums his contribution up:

    "On balance, however, it seems unlikely that Moss faces any imminent punishment by either the league or Patriots, though the results of the Jan. 28 hearing may prove influential."

    But what good would having a legal eagle on staff do SI if they couldn't ask him to fill space...:rolleyes:
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    This guy was on WEEI earlier this morning and he basically said he's skeptical of the lady's claims because she didnt charge Moss with a crime of battery, or even had the police investigate it. She instead filed a restraining order and approached him for payment...which gave him an idea of whats going on and the lady's intentions. Obviously, he made it clear we dont know all the facts but also let it be known that she's looking highly questionable right now.
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    I imagine that this is her rebuttal to the question of why there was no medical treatment at the time. Doesn't explain the day after, or the day after that....etc. As Randy said, she's got her own car, there was nothing to prevent her from getting medical treatment.
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    This is sort of what I was speculating in the other thread. That something close to the truth would be she got injured in a way that would reveal she has a sexual relationship with Moss. She said she thought she needed to go to the hospital. He said something like, "if you do that people will find out about you and me, do you have to?" When he got back to Boston, she had found a lawyer who called him or his lawyer and demanded money, and when he said no she filed a restraining order even though she has absolutely no fear whatsoever that he's going to do her harm and not even her application really makes out a case for that.

    And, the more that I think about it, the more I think her lawyer was involved in the application. You'll notice that it's written in legalese in places. It also doesn't in any way identify Moss as the NE player, which I now believe was probably deliberate.

    The duty judges in Broward county get about 20 of these a day -- you can tell that just by looking at the case number. It's 08-315, which means it was the 315th application filed in 08, even though it was only Jan. 14. They basically rubber stamp these. I bet if she'd written "New England Patriots Football Player," the judge would have paid it a lot more attention and been a bit more curious about the lack fo detail for why she needed a restraining order for a guy 1,000 miles away. Very devious. I think even the "West Virginia or Florida" or whatever she put on the application for driver's license was deliberate.
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    First of all, why is Moss involved with a woman in her mid-thirties? He should be banging chicks in their early twenties. Definitely fishy.

    Second:

    If Moss is up in Boston with no likelihood of returning to Florida for the next few weeks, then why is the court granting this order? There is no immediate threat. It's an abuse of discetion on the part of the court, particularly given the sketchy facts. I suspect the judge is a Dolphins fan. And yes, I'm serious.

    This whole thing is a tempest in a teapot.
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    You know ... you have a very good point!

    Judges are human and if the Judge is a avid Dolphins fan, which there is a good probability since he is from Florida, it may have been very hard for him
    to be impartial in his judgement.

    The judgement seems to be that way since as you say here is no immediate threat.
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    I think it also said his age was "13".
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    We should set one thing straight here, chances are that Moss never prevented her from getting medical treatment. She has just accused him of this which has nothing to do with what actually happened.

    So there is no sense in trying to figure out why or how he prevented her from getting treatment.

    The real key to this entire incident is the fact it was made public THIS week. And that this woman's lawyer actually made the threat and followed through on making it public when the Patriots were in the playoffs.

    I don't know a single good, honest and sincere citizen that would time the public release of this information in this way for financial gain. She has basically announced to the world she is not a good person and that greed is her main motivation. That being said, I will guarantee this story goes away quickly and all that will be left for this woman is embaressment.
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