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    Lee Atwater (of Willie Horton ad fame) is the forerunner to Rove in the Republican Party. Atwater is credited with the most effective implementation of the Republicans' southern strategy and getting Reagan elected. Since some here seem to be in denial about racism in the Republican Party, it is noteworthy that Atwater's most famous remarks are on tape, so there can be no dispute as to what he said.

    Now, even Atwater understood that northern Republicans were different than southern ones, but the point is that racism was clearly part of the Republican strategy, and now they are stuck with an influential racist contingent that defies the changing demographics of the nation. In my view, the nation owe the likes of racists like Atwater, Reagan, and Rove a big hug -- they rid the Democratic party of most of its scum.

    Exclusive: Lee Atwater

    "You start out in 1954 by saying, 'N-, n-, n-.' By 1968 you can’t say 'n-'—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'N-, n-.'”
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    Ah yes, poor Willie Horton. A man who stabbed a 17 year-old kid to death and stuffed him in a trash can. He was sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole so the fact that he was let out for the weekend and then raped and killed people can't be mentioned. People are opposed to that kind of thing because they are too racist to appreciate it. :rolleyes:
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    Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    He can't help it, his great great grandfather was

    My Opinon
    Willie Horton was a murdering souless savage dog and there are 'white ones out there also' are these scumsucking bastards supposed to get special treatment because they are black, bullshlt.

    There is a movement out there right now by many states to seperate themselves from this new screwy socialist left wing America, if it ever comes to be and I'm still alive I'm heading for one of those states like I was shot out of
    a f---ing cannon.

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    LOL. Just gloss over the racism involved in all this, and complain about Republican gov Francis Sargent's furlough law, under which Horton got released during Dukakis term. Atwater, like many Republicans, was a racist, and played the race card with the Horton ad. The ad was designed to rally bigots, and thus emphasized Horton's race. It was part of the southern strategy, which of course is what you're trying hard not to talk about, lest you have to admit that racism is real in the Republican Party.
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    Sort of like this? Urban voter, new code word for poor and most likely black

    Paul Ryan blames Republican ticket's loss on 'urban' voters | Mail Online
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    Also like to add that on his death bed atwater said he was remorseful for doing what he did. I doubt will see any of the new atwaters saying the same thing.
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    The preening self-righteousness of the left is getting a bit tiresome.
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    I'll admit that racism is real in the human race. I'll include Democrats in that group (this time). :p

    Oh, and I'm not a Republican.
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    Poor little Willie Horton he didn't have a Pony when he was a child, whaaaaaaaaa.
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    Code word? Inner city blacks chose the word "Urban" to identify a National organization dedicated to their rights and self reliance.



    Great another word white conservatives are forbidden to use. I am no supporter of Ryan but his use of the word "urban" was not racist. I'm getting so sick of this crap that I'm getting pissed off at some of you guys. Im serious.


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    Sargent never intended felons with life-without-parole to be furloughed. Fact is the state legislature passed a law removing that loophole and Dukakis vetoed that bill.

    Let me say that again: Dukakis VETOED a bill which would have denied furloughs to scum sucking inhuman animals like Willie Horton.

    But why let facts get in the way of this discussion?
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    Said by a man (you) that lives in the burbes. You need to look in the mirror pal, you have a high level of self righteousness yourself. Go down to the student prince, or the longmeadow country club and drown your sorrows. The man said what he said and in the end he regretted it. Deal with it.
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    The point of this thread is about the Republican racist strategy. Now, if Atwater hadn't said what he said, you might have a point. But, Atwater was fully aware of the value of singling out blacks as part of his southern strategy. The problem is with the Republican Party's lack of credibility when it comes to race issues. Their political philosophy seems to work too often to the detriment of minorities by focusing on crimes and problems of minorities, as if whites simply don't do bad things. It's a credibility issue.
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    Amen, brother. Your statements in this thread are 100% right on.
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    My only point is that blaming Sargent for Willie Horton - like you tried to do - shows a tremendous lack of knowledge of the actual facts. That's got nothing to do with Atwater or anything he may have said.
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    are you forgetting the people killed in this? is that what you're glossing over?

    typical of libbies to try to 'understand' murder instead of condemning it
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    If you want to start a thread condemning Willie Horton, I strongly doubt anyone will disagree, but in my opinion a real problem with conservatives is there willingness to deflect discussion of the problem of racism in their party. The fact is that Lee Atwater was the father of racist political posturing in the Republican Party (the southern strategy), so even an ad by Atwater about Willie Horton does not come off as an ad about crime, but an ad designed to use race to win the white vote. As I said, it's a credibility issue.
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    #75 Jersey

    There's no racism in the democratic party and Francis Sargent (R) not the MA legislature (DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDs) and certainly not Dukakis (D) let Willie Horton go. The republicans are always letting these guys go eh? I couldn't even type it without laughing.

    Like I said in an earlier thread, whenever I hear the "N" word around here it comes from the mouth of a whiter than white democrat.

    Just like Cruz Bustamonte (D), Lt Gov of CA under Gray Davis (D), was caught saying it a few years ago.

    Which party was it that fought the civil rights act tooth and nail in the 60s? Hint: It wasn't the republican party.

    It's amazing how uniformed the "enlightened ones" are on this subject.

    We understand though. You wouldn't want your daughter to marry "one" but their vote is very important, so on with the charade.
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    #75 Jersey

    Of course not, but it does give the lefties a little tingle down the leg to think that they aren't racists.

    One of my closest friends is a diehard liberal democrat/lawyer, and when he uttered the words "stick to your own kind" when he talked about his daughters getting married, what else is that but racist?

    This was the same guy who proclaimed that it was so sad that so many were going to vote against Barack Hussein Obama simply because he was black, while he completely ignored the far greater number of folks who voted FOR him for that reason and that reason only. Most of his supporters still don't have a clue about him.

    This thread is all about keeping the lies going to get and keep the black vote (talk about uniformed eh?). Otherwise, these lefties don't want a thing to do with "their kind."
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    #75 Jersey

    Personally, I have no problem with addressing my insults to a specific poster and having a little back and forth, but I thought it was against the rules. The lefties would be the first to cry about it if the situation were reversed. To be honest, it's that whiny attitude that I enjoy the most about lefties.

    I'm waiting for one of them to proclaim that they actually have black friends.

    If this is any indication of how these threads are going to go, then I'm going to have to go check out the homosexuality thread. That should be a real knee slapper too.
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    As I pointed out at the beginning, it was Lee Atwater who with his racist "southern strategy" wooed the racist scum of the Democratic Party into the Republican Party. From the 1930s on, the Democratic Party was a bizarre alliance of bitter southern whites (anti-Republican because of Lincoln), immigrants, and minorities. In the 1960s, JFK/LBJ made the very brave and principled decision to reject the Dixiecrat component of the Democratic Party (most of those who stayed changed their tune), and then the Republicans lapped up the refuse. After 1964, those who opposed Civil Rights gradually left the Democratic Party and joined the Party that was more sympathetic to racism, the Republican Party. Now, the Republican Party has a real big problem.

    Are there still bigots in the Democratic Party? Of course, but they are not the ones in power. The bigots have been largely marginalized.
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    #75 Jersey

    You want to change the historical facts but you can't. It was the republican party that put the pressure on to pass the Civil rights act. The racists were the democrats, and they only decided to jump on board when they realized that the changes had to be made and they couldn't stop it anymore. That was when the mediots started to spread the lie that you are trying to foster in this thread, that the democrats are/were the party of integration. Robert Byrd spent his entire life as a KKK democratic, right up until a few years ago. If he was a republican you would have heard more about him.
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    No offense, but this is a terrible argument. Are we giving the GOP credit for freeing the slaves, too?
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    Almost everything you've written here is patently false.
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    That's nonsense. The last time the Republican Party had an interest in Civil Rights was shortly after the Civil War. But, then racist Democrats in the South disenfranchised blacks, so the Republicans gave up that interest. Starting under Wilson, furthered under Roosevelt, Truman, and every Democrat after that race equality grew. You are simply choosing to ignore the Atwater quote that starts this thread. Blacks understand, as do most minorities, that their rights have come, not because of state rights, but because of the federal government, so have since the 1930s always supported Democrats. You throw out the name Robert Byrd because it's all the right wing has, and Byrd is dead and changed his tune decades, not years ago. He is one of those Dixiecrats that learned. The others became Republicans. The Dixeicrats are gone.

    Ronald Reagan started his presidential campaign in Philadelphia, MS, known only as a place where civil rights workers were murdered, and there he talked about states rights and segregation. Ronald Reagan supported the Apartheid in South Africa almost until the end of his administration. He weakened Civil Rights, lied about "welfare queens," and so on. You want to talk history. Go ahead. List the signature Civil Rights accomplishments of the Republicans. There are almost none. The only issue I can think of where Republicans were good on civil rights was with Bob Dole and the Americans with Disabilities Act, for which he deserves credit.

    The reality is that the right wing can try to fool itself but the victims of prejudice know better and soundly reject the Republicans again and again. Of course there are some conservatives who think that minorities are not smart enough to know which party is more interested in civil rights and equality, but racists tend to think that minorities aren't smart enough to know their own interests or simply want handouts. I'm sure you're not one of those racists, but there are many people like that in the Republican Party today.
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    Wait, I thought he didn't "really" regret it?

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    I think we can agree that Willie Horton was in fact a savage. Just as anyone who murders a child would be.

    BTW...is this ANOTHER thread on .....wait.....here it comes....

    Racism?

    Something different anyway....not my favorite topic though.
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