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    Yes, we all fret when the Pats give up the plays 5 yards in front of the DBs etc.

    HOWEVER, did you notice how the Steelers sold out on the last play of the game yesterday. They had 11 guys on the LOS, to run blitz. And then BAM, game over. Steelers gave up the big play all day.

    There may be more to the defensive strategy of giving up tons and tons of yards than we will ever know.

    -- FRITZ
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    The Steelers obviously tried to put the game on Tebows arm rather than his and the Broncos RB legs. They sold out on the run because they thought their rush would get there fast enough for the DBs to not lose the coverage and Tebows mechanics would be too slow.

    The Broncos did some nice things on the Offensive side of the ball to switch up from what they had been doing previously. And Polumalu bit on most of the shallow routes just to see the receiver turn downfield and run right past him. Broncos had a good gameplan and executed it well. The Steelers didn't seem ready for the passes Tebow threw.

    Tebow didn't have a great game throwing, but he did enough to win it. But really, who could miss with most of his completions being to receivers who were wide open? Broncos won the game-planning handily.
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    I doubt BB considers giving up tons of yards a defensive strategy. I think the idea is to keep the play in front of you and thus limit the yards given up, but it doesn't always go to plan.

    When your QB either scores almost instantaneously, or goes three and out even faster (like Brady's offense tends to do), than you have your defense on the field a lot. That is one factor in why GB and NE both have opportunistic defenses who can hurt you with turnovers but also seem to spend a lot of time on the field.
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    Yes, it was unbelievable how the Steelers didn't adjust, all game, to what Tebow was doing. You'd think after they got burned 2, 3, 4 times they would stop stacking the box and leave their safeties in coverage. Denver did have a good game plan (after starting off the same way in the 1st quarter, trying to run and getting no where). I said to my husband, Pats shouldn't change the way they play, at least they keep everything in front of them! I couldn't understand why the Steelers were so afraid of the run. The Broncos gained something like 250+ yards rushing in their last game against Kansas City and they scored 3 points. 3 Points! Let em run, you dummies!

    Oh well. My opinion of Tebow increased. He kept saying if they let him open it up he could play better. He was right. Hopefully he reverts to form in Foxboro, or the Pats can cook something up to stop his new found bombs away attitude. He is still incredibly inaccurate in the short passing game. The Pats should focus on getting him to have to throw short.
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    The Steelers only play one style of defense. They play a zone and rely on pressure from the front seven. The problem is that if the front seven don't get to the QB, it exposes their secondary especially with their best coverage safety out.

    I don't think the Steelers did anything different against the Broncos than they usually do. Their problem was that with Kiesel and Hampton going down, they couldn't apply the pressure they usually do.

    What they should have done is what Belichick usually does with Roethlisberger. You don't need to sack him a lot, but you gotta cut off the running lanes so the QB can scramble out of the pocket and extend the play. If they were able to keep Tebow in the pocket, he would have never thrown nearly as well. I think losing 2/3 of their d-line in the first quarter played a part of that.
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    LeBeau handed the Broncos this game. Thank God because BB won't be so stupid
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    You are probably right, but why not put the safeties back in coverage? It was like they had their plan and they were sticking to it, come what may (even though what kept coming was huge completions down the field, mostly to one receiver).
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    I think some Steeler fan in some other thread was that LeBeau wasn't very good at adjusting during the games. The lack of adjusting during this game certainly points to that.

    It's still unbelievable that Tebow threw for over 300 yards on 10 completions. I mean, that it over 30 yard per catch, somewhere it has to pop into you head that you are putting too many men on line of scrimmage.

    Personally I agree with Deb, let them run, take long drives and try to get a stop on the next down and then utilise your own receivers in the passing game for quicker scores than the opponent. It's not really a good plan either, but now the big big big plays they gave up and allowed scoring opportunities would be more limited. The Steelers put themselves in the situation they found themselves in by being stupid and not adjusting.

    But they still had a chance to win it at the end, and i really thought they would, they were hot and got a cold shower with that botched snap and the delay of game penalty.
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    I thought Pittsburgh played Denver the same way that the Jest played them in expecting Tebow or McGahee to run on every play.

    Also, it helps Denver if your own QB is not fully fit (Big Ben) or just inept (Sanchez).
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    And how did Denver manage to get those two guys out of the game so early? By doing what Denver has done for decades: Go for the legs and knees of the opposing player and try and injure him. Any wonder how Andre Carter got injured so quickly when we played them? Remember when a cheap shot from a Denver Defensive player broke Brian Cox's leg?

    They've been called out for it time after time. The league, however, has never done anything about it, but Shannahan started coaching his players to play dirty on the line, and it's been handed down ever since.
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    BTW, the Steelers were in a Cover 0 for most of the game. Bend-Don't-Break defenses are usually in a Cover 2 with the safeties deep to keep everything in front of them. In fact, the Steelers were gashed for so many big plays yet not a lot of little ones, their defense is the antithesis of Bend-Don't-Break.
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    The fact that they were getting burned deep repeatedly all day and they didn't adjust is just baffling. The fact that they didn't have a guy deep on the first play of overtime was just stupid. Did they really think Tebow wasn't going to take a shot there after beating them all day? I have faith that we wont do anything that stupid. The Steelers really missed Clark in this game, especially with Polamalu doing his usual guessing wrong and getting burned.
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    Also, Harrison was atrocious at keeping the contain on the backside of the plays and biting on the inside fake only for Tebow to roll out to his left.

    Tewow is his new name.
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    The last play was a busted play on defense. Broncos gave a cover zero look but Ike Taylor was aligned outside, so he probably expected help on the inside from Mundy. Mundy got caught moving to the box before the play and had to try to backpedal to get in position. Thomas is a big target, got good position slanting on Taylor and it was an easy pass for Tebow.

    Either Mundy or the LB was supposed to be inside coverage or Taylor had poor technique in cover 0. I think Mundy blew the coverage because Taylor is a pretty damn good corner.
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    Yes he was terrible. I counted about 8 times where he over pursued and Tebow rolled past him. I trust Belichick will have them looking at that all week. This is a classic "do your job" game for the defense. They all do what their coached to do and I can't see the Pats losing unless the offense coughs it up.
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    Didn't the Steelers have an issue with Polamalu doing too much freelancing? I wonder if that was the case here.
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    So................the "32nd" ranked defense can go into Denver and adjust for the final three quarters but............... the "elite" 1st ranked defense can't?

    Where are our resident idiots to explain this?

    Perspective anyone?
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    Any given Sunday
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    Hey we're the 31st ranked defense, give them some credit :D

    How are the locals in Pittsburgh this morning?
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    Good point, the Andre Carter hi-lo double team was maybe not illegal, but looked like overkill.
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    Steelers may have chosen that D because they had no faith in their offense. They didn't want the Donkeys holding onto the ball for longish possessions. Backfired. But Pitt's offense looked crappy too.
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    He's always like that, and he does his best work around the line of scrimmage. That said, he did bite on play action way too easy last night, but then again so did most of the Steelers.

    I think one of the problems with not getting that much pressure on Tebow was that the Steelers were so cautious of the Broncos run-game that most of the front seven didn't come right of the line many times, but instead tried to clog the lanes and keep contain. The bit of extra time helped Tebow quite a bit imo.
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    Yup, NFLN caught this and showed it. Mundy (Clark's backup) went up to show blitz, but was extremely late and when Denver snapped the ball Mundy was still within a yard of the LOS. Taylor, playing an outside technique, was expecting outside help he never received.

    We were burned by two things yesterday. One was the fact that Taylor had his worst game of the year. The other is that Lebeau's strategy was to sell out to stop the run, and make Tebow beat us with his arm.

    And guess what--he did. He threw great deep ball after great deep ball, and played his best game of the year. Strategies aside, sometimes you just have to credit the other guys for outstanding play. Denver outplayed us, and it wasn't just schemes or injuries. They deserved to win.

    lillloyd
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    Tebow is very good at lulling teams to death. Steelers defense is old so that may be the case where they just fell asleep here :)
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    What makes you think they didn't adjust? They did adjust to a lot more man coverage in the 2nd half and held Denver to only 3 points in the 2nd half.

    The only play that killed them was the first one in OT, and the defensive call on that was atrocious, IMO. My bet is that Denver saw Thomas in man to man single coverage and believed he could beat that, and while the single high safety (Pitts showed a cover 1) was aligned over on Thomas's side, he came down to sell the blitz (which was pretty idiotic, why send your only high safety to fake a blitz leaving the backfield way open?).

    He tried to turn back but at that point it was too late. The way Denver executed that play, I'm sure they saw that same play earlier in the game and wanted to take advantage of it.
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    He completed 9 passes in regulation. 9 passes... you make it sound like he was Payton Manning out there.
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    EXACTLY what he said.
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    The offense wasn't terrible actually. Denver does have a pretty solid DEFENSE. I don't think lack of trust in their offense had anything to do with their gameplan. They watched tape and decided they weren't going to respect Tebow's passing game. Honestly, his prior perfomances didn't really show much to warrant it. However, at halftime, when your DBs have been burnt multiple times, adjustments should have been made. They did make some....just not enough and too little too late. The biggest mistake was on that OT play. Just idiotic. And they payed for it dearly.
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    Less than thrilled.
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    Say WHAT?

    We have fewer three-and-outs than almost anyone in the NFL, as measured by being 3rd in fewest punts per play, 4th in fewest punts per offensive score, 2nd in first downs per play, 2nd in first downs per game, etc. Ther are not more abundant and likely not any "faster".

    Granted we are 26th in time of possesion per score, but that speaks to a high denominator (lots of scores) on few wasted posessions.

    stats are fom this site: NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Punts per Offensive Score on TeamRankings.com
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