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  1. PatsFanInVa

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    Some of the righties, and some of the "pox on both your houses" crowd, love to claim nothing has changed (leaving aside their simultaneous complaints that too much is changing.)

    Well, for better or worse, we really are getting the hell out of Iraq.

    U.S. troops pack up millions of items in Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq - msnbc.com

    Coda: My read is as it always was. It is quite likely that after the U.S. departure, there will be a great deal of renewed sectarian struggle. It is not a given, but it is quite possible. It would also be possible if we stayed until 2050. But there it is.

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  2. Real World

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    All of this was part of the Status of Forces Agreement that was signed in 2008. That agreement stated that all forces would be out by 2011. That likely won't be the case, as there will likely be enough of a presence in place beyond 2011, to ensure the stability of the still fragile government.
     
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    Yeah. Right. Sure. All of our troops are leaving Iraq. Well, all of them except for the ones who aren't. :rolleyes:
     
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    Sounds nice and it's a victory of sorts. But if we deploy too many troops elsewhere then they'll find a way to bring us back ... until we go broke which was the plan all along.
     
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    This is good news, as we have achieved our objective.. to establish a foothold in the mideast.. we have built bases and built embassies, our presence will be continually a reminder to the Iraqi people that we essentially destroyed their country on the basis of lies.
     
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    Wow, who would've thought that the surge would actually work??
     
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    Political Bullsh!t
     
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    Our combat role will be done (well, the front page combat role) but we'll still maintain troops in Iraq for a while yet.
     
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    A couple of useful reactions here.

    - Yes, TBOY, I think that's always been the case (a residual force), and nobody expected different.

    - One wonders whether we will return on "invitation" of the government. Hope not.

    - Harry, to make this less "bullsh1t" for you, let me re-cast the headline...
    "SLOBBERING HOLLYWOOD WIFE SWAPPERS KEEP ONE STINKING PROMISE IN THEIR LIFE AND GET OUT OF IRAQ OH GOD OH JESUS." (There. Now it must be a cogent point of political discussion...)

    - Darryl: NYT on either Sunday or Monday did a great piece on electicity availability in Iraq... suffice it to say, there are now 20-somethings running around who never had a modern lifestyle because of continuous war and sanctions. Sad.

    I love all the righties whining that all the troops are leaving except the ones that aren't - typical. Read the story. This is a significant withdrawal.

    However, the one thing you can blame Obama for, is that he is doing exactly what he said he would. That includes not being anti-war, but being anti-Iraq-war, and pro-Afghanistan war expansion.

    As to the status of forces agreement in 2008, it was signed after the Bu****es claimed for several years that it is naive and weak and stupit and blah blah blah to put a timeline on withdrawal, and Obama saying nah let's do it, as a campaign position -- then the Iraqi government said "yeah that would work." Then Bush got on board.

    I'm sure in fringe righty world, that timing is coincidental.

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    wHEN ARE WE GONNA GET OF gERMANY

    november, right around the corner, lots of vanishing anti war loons will now vote "dingobat"
     
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    Um, most of us read about this back in 2008 when it was originally signed into policy. Plus, unless all the troops leave, then it's not really a withdrawl is it? It's more or less a public relations move, where they make it look like we're gone, but still have 40-50,000 soldiers hanging in the outskirts of the cities, to quell any attempt to topple the existing government.

    The reason why a timeline was ill advised, and and awful strategy prior to 2008, is because the situation on the ground was completely unstable. Only after the "surge" strategy was implemented (a strategy that Obama said was a mistake, and destined for failure) was that changed. Post surge, a much more stable situation allows for a time table for withdrawl. Furthermore, the US said on numerous occasions that we would only stay in Iraq, if the government there wanted us to. That if they ever wanted us to leave, we would. The Status Forces Agreement of 2008 set up a withdrawl time frame, based on Malaki's desire to have coalition forces begin to leave. The one caveat is that the withdrawl time frame would be predicated on ground conditions, and could be altered at the behest of Malaki, if their was a need for said forces to remain. This was all planned a couple of years ago.
     
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    After years of bashing our actions in Iraq, the left is now trying to take credit for it. Unreal.
     
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    The sad thing is, they really believe that their "Beautiful Messiah Obama" is the hero.

    Remember how the democrats all said "Saddam Has To Go" well he's gone, Bush took care of it for them.

    WMD's
    The slick old bastard Saddam had them the whole world knew it, he used them on his own people, what the whole world didn't know was "He Got Rid Of Them"

    :bricks:
     
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    The so-called withdrawal is a joke until all US forces are out of Iraq. The government thinks the People are all fools (and they're mostly right except for me and you) to think that we're buying this bogus declaration. Insurgent activity will spike as the troops begin to withdraw and that will be the excuse to stay and even pull another surge. After all, there are only 50 Taliban guys left in Afghanistan, so the mission there looks about done.

    "Whack-a-mole" continues in the Middle East.

    Where's Bin Ladin?

    Where's the energy policy?
     
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    It really is a public relations, political propoganda policy. It's designed to appease the majority involved, and give the public the perception that we're leaving, or have left. By public, I mean the locals here, the locals there, and the greater global audience that's watching. In the end, it is wise to keep some sort of emergency force there for a little while longer. My personal fear is that such a footprint becomes permanent.
     
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    Who's taking credit, and for which actions?
     
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    You'll see, when we leave.
     
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    I agree with most of this. I disagree with the emergency force idea, but I see where you're coming from.
     
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    Good grief, me and WPF actually agree on something! :D

    Like I said: All the troops are leaving Iraq. Except for the ones who aren't.
     
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    Biden for one.
     

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