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  1. MoLewisrocks

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    The cap is tentatively set for at or just below $121M. Teams individual cap numbers will depend on how much carryover they have. Contract extensions can still be negotiated until 4PM this Saturday that allocate part of signing bonus amortization or roster bonus or salary increases to this season. After that any extensions only impact future cap.

    CB: Franchise: $10.668 Transition: $8.939

    DE: Franchise: $10.984 Transition: $8.994

    DT: Franchise: $8.306 Transition: $6.919

    K/P: Franchise: $2.926 Transition: $2.654

    LB: Franchise: $9.455 Transition: $8.216

    OL: Franchise: $9.660 Transition: $8.560

    QB: Franchise: $14.642 Transition: $12.845

    RB: Franchise: $8.079 Transition: $6.851

    S: Franchise: $6.798 Transition: $5.899

    TE: Franchise: $5.962 Transition: $5.105

    WR: Franchise: $10.357 Transition: $8.716

    Welker's franchise tag if tagged for the second time would be $11.4M (120% of previous tag). The tags for RG and CB would appear to be steeper than the organization would entertain for either Vollmer or Talib.


    Franchise tag numbers tentatively set; 2013 cap near $121M - NFL.com
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    121 million???...that's only a million more than the 2011 cap...I did not realize this
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    But thankfully, the Krafts and the Patriots FO did. . . .
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    (1) FWIW, moving cap space is no longer the onerous burden it used to be (e.g., they don't need to give Woodhead an extension that gives him a $5M bonus if he throws six TD passes in 2012). So it's not a huge problem if they don't make a move this week.

    (2) If Talib leaves, the Pats would probably be in line (other FA moves pending) for a 3rd round comp pick in 2014. Not that that's a great option, but it is something to consider.
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    Would the comp pick be affected by the fact that he didn't play 4 games this year?
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    We had a thread about it recently:

    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...d/95/987495-minimal-cap-increase-2013-a.html

    As Mo notes, Kraft's predicted this for years, in contrast to some who have predicted a more vigorous increase. The cap probably won't go up much in the next couple of years either, according to many, even though increased TV revenues kick in in 2014. It may remain fairly flat (under $123M) through 2015.

    It's ugly, but in the long run it favors fiiscally responsible organizations with good personnel evaluation such as the Pats who manage their cap and roster situations well. As ugly as it will be for us, it will be uglier for others.
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    so when this big TV deal comes on in 2014 what are the Cap permutations then?

    Is it possible for the team to backload Vollmer/Talib into those years?

    Obviously theres a few big deals that are ending soon (Wilfork/Brady) also, the possibility of some sort of restructure of those deals.
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    Wow. Pretty amazing how relatively low the pay scale is for Tight Ends.
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    econ major Belichick has been wanting to maximize his ROI (return on investment) at that position for years.....lower investment and higher production out of that position lead to fiscal efficiency.....
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    While we manage our cap well, read where the Jets are already 20 million over for next year...

    Where is Miguel to make sense of all of this???
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    THe tackle they traded from St louis is a 12 million hit for next year. he's likely to be cut or renegotiated.

    Scott and Pace are also looking like cap casualties too.

    That pretty much gets them back below 120. Where they go for the rest is anyones guess.
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    That's part of the issue I had with investing heavily in both TE's this season. I get that doing them early allowed for earlier amortization and favorable cap management. But Gronk's deal averages $9M per in new money, although the protections they built in with the 4 year option structure made that deal a slam dunk. The Hernandez deal which averages $8M not so much. And his was a straight up deal with more bonus and guaranteed money. His market this off season would have been considerably less. And while you can't predict injury you can anticipate trends. Focus and consistency has been an issue with him moreso than Gronk. Should have slotted him closer to the tag or required some option clauses. They are in a catch 22 situation with him already. You tend to want to protect that level of investment, but you have to get production out of it, too. They ride Welker like a rented mule because he's on a one year deal and it's all about production because they have no investment to protect... Which in case some of you still don't get it is why players resent the tag.
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    Revis is coming back on the final year of his contract too.

    Get the popcorn ready.
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    They could trade him. If the price is right.

    In a lot of ways that would be the right thing to do.
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    Actually, it's only about $7M/year over this year and the next seven.
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    Can you please elaborate on this? It seems like WW's use is pretty much what it has been throughout his career in NE. Are you suggesting he'd be happier if the org cut down on his touches this season?
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    I don't think so. I believe that the only criteria is the size and length of the contract. There was a situation a few years ago ( can't remember specifics) in which a player who was going to be a 'hot' free agent got cut late in the season and another team picked him up off waivers with the hope that if he signed as a FA, they would get high comp pick....
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    Nnamdi?

    didn't the raiders cut him and they got a 3rd for it?
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    Trade him to Oakland. He'd be a perfect fit. :D
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    They'd probably get first rd picks for the next 5 years.
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    Tight ends are the flatiron steak of the NFL
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    I wonder if the players have figured out how bad a job Smith did with the CBA yet.
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    The flat cap is going to create a high disparate between players who got paid despite not being able to carry their weight, and players who are outperforming their contracts but who can't get paid because of all the dead money tied up in the first group. It's going to build some resentment at some point.
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    That's kinda the problem, though. With a few cuts they can get back below the cap, which would basically mean they'd be putting a team on the field in 2013 that's marginally worse than this year's 6-10 iteration, with a lame duck QB. Cutting Sanchez, Harris, or Holmes doesn't become a real option until 2014, and Revis and Ferguson are pretty much locked in until 2015. Just imagine how much worse it would have been if they'd managed to convince Asomugha to come play for them for $11M per year, which is what they were apparently trying to do before throwing a bit less money at Cromartie.

    Long story short, the Jets ****ed up badly by giving Sanchez that extension this past offseason. Not sure what they were thinking, pretty much everyone here saw it becoming exactly the disaster that it is.
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    It's about 95% a function of the average annual value of the new contract. Big $$ = higher pick.

    Things like games played only matter in borderline cases (e.g., if a guy is right on the line between a 4th and a 5th, it might become a 4 if he's a Pro Bowler, or a 5 if he only plays two games before going on IR; if he's half a million over the line, it makes almost no difference).
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    For the most part this is what they did though. His cap hits will be below or at the tag level from 2013 thru 2015. In 2016 it jumps to over 8 million but the dead money is next to nothing. The Patriots did give the better deal of the two tight ends to Hernandez but I dont think it really impacts them badly. The Patriots pretty much cleaned up the books this season its just not showing because they dont know what to do with Brady right now. I think its worth extending him and making the cap room to keep upgrading the roster before he finally begins to slow down in a few years.
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    They need more guys to get tagged before that happens. For all his bluster this deal set the union back about 5 years. Just wait until insurance premiums begin to hit the cap. Those injury guarantees will quickly vanish.
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    No. Comp picks are based, primarily, on the salary the player receives from the new team. However, this can be off-set by the Patriots signing a True Free Agent (vs. someone who was cut). Teams only get comp picks if they have lost more True Free Agents than they signed.
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