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    Baltimore Chronicle, 17 Oct. 2006

    Most Americans don't know that back in November 1999 when George W.
    Bush, the then-Republican frontrunner in the United States
    presidential elections, was subjected to a little foreign policy quiz
    by a Boston TV reporter, he did not know the names of two leaders,
    among others, who represented about one-fifth of humanity...the
    leaders of Pakistan and India.

    Most Americans don't know that such was the state of the awareness of
    a man about to be handed over the reins of the most awesome military
    machine of the most powerful country on planet earth.

    Most Americans don't know that their country's foreign policy has been
    held hostage to the well-being of the state of Israel for about 40
    years, and all the world's major crises, including the so called `War
    on Terror,' can be traced, one way or the other, to the
    Israeli-Palestinian conflict and America's extremely partisan
    Israel-centric role in that.

    Most Americans don't know that a large section of American diplomatic
    and military experts have long held the view that U.S. support of
    Israel is often contrary to and, in fact, enormously damaging to U.S.
    interests.

    Most Americans don't know that this blind allegiance to the tiny state
    of Israel, apart from increasingly endangering American lives, hurts
    America's relations with 1.2 billion Muslims world-wide and bleeds off
    the much-needed resources from domestic American requirements to fight
    a shadow `war on terror' that is contrary to American principles of
    equality, democracy and fairplay.

    Most Americans, in fact, don't know the ABCs of the
    Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    Consider the following.

    Most Americans don't know that for 2,000 years there was no such
    conflict, and that the land of Palestine was inhabited by Palestinian
    Arabs, and that in 1850 these consisted of approximately 80 percent
    Muslims, 15 percent Christians, and only 5 percent Jews, and that for
    centuries these groups had lived in absolute accord.

    Most Americans don't know that in the late 1800s a fanatic minority
    group of the world Jewish population in Europe, known as the
    "Zionists," decided to colonize this land to create a Jewish homeland,
    and at first considered locations in Africa and South America, before
    finally setting their sights on Palestine for their colony.

    Most Americans don't know that at first this immigration created no
    problems, but when the extremist group's designs for an exclusive
    Jewish state started surfacing, fighting between the Muslims and Jews
    broke out, with swelling waves of violence.

    Most Americans don't know that when finally in 1947 the United Nations
    did decide to intervene, under considerable pressure from high-placed
    American Zionists, the UN randomly divided up Palestine rather than
    adhering to the democratic principle of "self-determination of
    peoples," and ended up giving away 55 percent of Palestine to a Jewish
    state—despite the fact that this group by then represented only about
    30 percent of the total population, and owned under 7 percent of the land.

    Most Americans don't know that when the inevitable Arab-Israeli war of
    1948 broke out, the Zionist army consisted of over 90,000
    European-trained soldiers and possessed modern weaponry, including
    up-to-date fighter and bomber airplanes, while the Arab forces, very
    much a third-world army, consisted of approximately 30,000
    ill-equipped, poorly trained men, leaving the outcome in little doubt.

    Most Americans don't know that by the end of that war the Jewish
    state, having now declared itself "Israel," had conquered 78 percent
    of Palestine—far more than that proposed even by the very generous UN
    partition plan—and three-quarters of a million Palestinians had been
    made refugees. Over 400 towns and villages had been destroyed and a
    new map was being drawn up, in which every city, river and hillock
    would receive a new, Hebrew name and, according to that plan, all
    traces of the Palestinian culture were to be erased. In fact, for many
    decades, Israel—and the US, following its lead—denied the very
    existence of this population, and Golda Meir once even proclaimed
    that: "There is no such thing as a Palestinian."

    Most Americans don't know that in 1967 in the Six Day War Israel
    conquered still more land and occupied the additional 22 percent of
    Palestine that had eluded it in 1948—the West Bank and the Gaza
    Strip—and that it also occupied parts of Egypt (which since were
    returned) and Syria (which remain under occupation).

    Most Americans don't know that currently, out of the two core issues
    in this continuing and growing Middle Eastern conflict, the first one
    is of the inescapably detrimental effect of trying to maintain an
    ethnically preferential state, by the Zionist group of colonial
    origin, in a land once comprised of 95 percent Muslim and Christian
    peoples, many of whom are not being allowed to return to their homes
    in the current "Jewish state"—to the extent that the Israeli peace
    negotiators refuse to even discuss the possibility of applying this
    UN-guaranteed right.

    Most Americans don't know that the second core issue is of Israel `s
    continued confiscation of Palestinian land in the West Bank and Gaza,
    and the resistance to that by the Palestinian inhabitants, and that it
    is these occupied territories that, according to the Oslo peace
    accords of 1993, were going to become a Palestinian state; and that
    when Israel continued to take land in these areas and to move its
    citizens onto it, the Palestinian population rebelled, and that
    uprising is called the "Intifada" (Arabic for "shaking off"), which
    began at the end of September 2000 and continues to this day.

    Most Americans don't know that since the start of the Intifada, 121
    Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 786 Palestinian
    children have been killed by Israelis and 1,084 Israelis and 4,171
    Palestinians have been killed, 7,633 Israelis and 30,670 Palestinians
    have been injured; and that zero Israeli homes have been demolished by
    Palestinians and 4,170 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel.

    Most Americans don't know that the U.S. gives $15,139,178 per day to
    the Israeli government and military and $232,290 per day to
    Palestinian NGOs; and that the Israeli unemployment rate is 8.9%,
    while the Palestinian unemployment is estimated at 25-31%.

    Most Americans don't know that just one Israeli is being held prisoner
    by Palestinians, while 9,599 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by
    Israel, and that 60+ new Jewish-only settlements have been built on
    confiscated Palestinian land between March 2001 and July 11, 2003, and
    that there have been zero cases of Palestinians confiscating Israeli
    land and building settlements.

    Most Americans don't know that not all the world Jewry supports the
    noxious policies of the Zionist group running the state of Israel, and
    that in fact, as recently as September 21, a group of Anti-Zionist
    Orthodox Jewish Rabbis met with President Ahmadinejad of Iran to
    discuss matters of mutual interest.

    Above all, most Americans don't know that Israel has had 65 UN
    resolutions passed against it in its atrocious past—and the
    Palestinians have none.

    Now if most Americans do not know what most Americans must know,
    should most of the world now call the US as the IgnoramUS?
    Acknowledgement from the author: I am deeply indebted to the
    administration of the website `If Americans Knew' at
    ifamericansknew.org, upon whose research I have drawn heavily. This
    website has made it a goal to "to inform and educate the American
    public on issues of major significance that are unreported,
    underreported, or misreported in the American media," and wants to let
    it be known that "Americans, through our blank check to Israel, are
    empowering the worst elements of Israeli society, and undermining
    those working for a just, peaceful, and nondiscriminatory nation. We
    are driving the violence in this region. We can stop it." Hats off to
    the truth seekers.

    ©Anwaar Hussain 2006. The writer, a former officer of the Pakistan Air
    Force, is now based in the United Arab Emirates. This story is
    reproduced courtesy of Fountainhead, Mr. Hussain's blog. Mr. Hussain
    may be reached by email at eagleeye@....


    SOURCES:

    * If Americans Knew - what every American needs to know about
    Israel/Palestine
    * Americas Bush no whizz on foreign quiz
    * Neturei Karta - Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism
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    You will now be branded an Anti Semite by the "Politically Correct"
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    WOW...Harry is right you will be branded an Anit-Semite...but if the shoe fits. There were many "facts" in that article that could be proven wrong by a quick internet search, but when the author is just someone pushing his agenda facts aren't important just throw enough crap on the wall and see what sticks...love the use of the word "Jewry", really doesn't show the authors bias or anything does it?
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    Democrat moonbat policy number 6:

    When you have nothing to offer, compare your enemy to Hitler.

    Straight out of central casting, you are, you fricking senile old bat.
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    #37 Jersey

    Retard, it was written and posted by YOUR SIDE! You know the jew-hating democrats wich you belong to?
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    And none of that is as bad as the morons who still deny the Armenian Genocide, don't you agree..?
  7. Turk

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    Here is the author:

    ©Anwaar Hussain 2006. The writer, a former officer of the Pakistan Air
    Force, is now based in the United Arab Emirates.

    Jew-Hating Democrat?


    It has become so easy to throw around the accusation "anti-semite".
    Are these folks ant-semites, as well?

    http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

    http://www.nkusa.org/

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/jews_against_zionism.html

    http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

    Taking a stand against the atrocities committed by Israel and against our one sided, blind support for that one country no matter what they do, is not anti-semitism.

    That is the same game, same ploy utilized by the Bush regime, that if you question, if you stand against atrocities, you are not one of us. You are anti-American, you are an anti-Semite.

    I would strongly suggest that everyone read the report that FBN shared with all of us here. It was authored by two professors, one from Chicago and one from Harvard, on the Israeli lobby and the US foreign policy.
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  8. Turk

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    Is flaming your whole purpose in participating in this forum?
    Secondly, can you start and finish one post, without name calling?

    When you are ready to have a discussion at a mature level, let me know.
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    #37 Jersey

    I was refering more about you and NEM when I was talking about jew-hating democrats, so this guy is not a democrat does not mean he isn't a jew-hater.

    It is sad to see when a fellow jew, like NEM, isn't conserned with the term "JEWRY" but is blinded by political rage that results in hatred of his own people. Glad to see you on the same side with those who excuse what Hezzbullah and Hamas do.
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    It has become so easy to throw around the accusation "anti-semite".
    Are these folks ant-semites, as well?

    http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

    http://www.nkusa.org/

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/je...t_zionism.html

    http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

    Taking a stand against the atrocities committed by Israel and against our one sided, blind support for that one country no matter what they do, is not anti-semitism.

    That is the same game, same ploy utilized by the Bush regime, that if you question, if you stand against atrocities, you are not one of us. You are anti-American, you are an anti-Semite.

    I would strongly suggest that everyone read the report that FBN shared with all of us here. It was authored by two professors, one from Chicago and one from Harvard, on the Israeli lobby and the US foreign policy.




    When and where have I stated anything that defends / glorifies / excuses terrorism by anyone, and that includes Hamas, Hezbullah, and any military?

    I have never claimed to hate anyone and your untrue / unsubstantiated words are just another attempt to smear and nothing else, while of course not being able to answer my question above (and below); are all these Jewish folks anti-semites as well?

    http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

    http://www.nkusa.org/

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/je...t_zionism.html

    http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/



    By the way, do I need to point out that it is your posts that are full of prejudice and hate towards Muslims? This forum is full of examples of such venom that you have spewed on many occasions.

    So, is your sense of fairness, anti-prejudice only active when it comes to people of Jewish faith, and more specifically zionists and Israel? Or is it that Israel is beyond criticism, and anyone who dares to, is a Jew hater? How convenient.
    Muslims are free game / target practice and Israel is untouchable no matter what kind of a black hole they keep dragging us into. Sounds fair.

    Here is some good reading:

    Stephen Walt of Harvard and John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago:

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html

    By the way, this paper was authored by someone of Jewish heritage and not a "Jew hater", as you seem to like calling people.
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    You're the only 'conservative' I've ever heard of who'd stand up against Israel???

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