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  1. Harry Boy

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    Do you tweet???
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    Reading that was a wast of time. Same old BS, spouted by the same old cons. When a reputable site like the Guardian says mass layoffs then i'll take notice.
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    #87 Jersey

    The Obama recession is upon us.
    As the Ocean of Layoffs rise.
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    So the private sector is gonna hold us hostage because they didn't get their way?


    Sounds like a bunch of crybabies....I have a better idea, quit making excuses! Stop blaming taxes and unions and regulations and man up! Stop blaming the left for your problems, stop blaming the people because they want to be treated fairly and paid a fair wage with fair bennies. So they can feed their families and keep the lights on.

    So much wealth is this world, yet it seems like its wasted....

    Layoff people while at the same time making millions.....this isn't about Obama or taxes, this is and always will be about GREED!
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    Same goes for you & I ILHP....we both go to work everyday and do the best we can because we want more. I know I've never said to myself, "Hey, I'm making enough, let someone else have get more".

    I think I'd be an idiot if I thought that, don't you?
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    The greed argument has been around for 5 thousand years.

    The bottom line is people are in business to make money nothing else.It will never change.
    The whole problem with liberals argument is that its not connected to any reality.
    If laying off is going to help their bottom line because of government regulation, restraints and overburdening draconian tax hikes like Obamacare then they will.
    I don't know how your side can be so clueless to that fact.

    And even with layoffs they are going to raise the cost of doing business with consumers to offset these new forced government expenditures.
    I've been telling you this for months. Socialist government eventually ends up hurting the people they are supposed to be helping the most and the wealth gap grows larger.

    When is your side ever, ever going to realize that?
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    You are relying tweets, but that feeds the hysteria/half truth beast.

    If this was going to be so devastating, why didn't they do it a month ago when I may have made a difference for the right???

    Why wait, if true, for a couple of days after the election.
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    there were enough warnings by business that this would be the case if Obama were reelected...you guys called those threats political.

    The above companies layoffs coming AFTER the election is because they were hoping not to cut anybodies job.

    Where you guys think that business that have to compete 24 hours a day for market share and profits are supposed to be charity organizations is dilusional.

    Now this is just an example layoffs coming...Wait about 6 months that see actual buisnesses go extinct.
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    Can certainly count on some for hysteria.. these are tweets, nothing official.

    One anonymous person's opinion that he or she made in 140 letters or less...
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    darryl, do you ever get teh feeling that your posts are irrelevant?
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    Keep on believing that some anonymous tweets are the real deal.. see how far that gets you.
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    yeah i see a lot of lay offs coming :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Consumer sentiment at 5-year high, inventories jump - Yahoo! News

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - Americans' perceptions of the outlook for the economy and for employment improved in early November with consumer sentiment rising to its highest level in more than five years, a survey released on Friday showed.

    It was the fourth month in a row consumers' moods have improved.

    Separate data showed wholesale inventories rose in September by the most in nine months as wholesalers sharply boosted stocks of farm goods and oil, the latest sign the economy grew more than initially estimated in the third quarter.
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    When things go wrong in the Muslim World this is what they do, they pray to their God.

    Dear Lord:

    The American people have made their choice. They have decided that America must change its course, away from the principals of our Founders. And, away from the idea of individual freedom and individual responsibility. Away from capitalism, economic responsibility, and personal acceptance.

    We are a Country in favor of redistribution, national weakness and reduced standard of living and lower and lower levels of personal freedom.

    My regret, Lord, is that our young people, including those in my own family, never will know what America was like or might have been. They will pay the price in their reduced standard of living and, most especially, reduced freedom.

    The takers outvoted the producers. In response to this, I have turned to my Bible and in II Peter, Chapter 1, verses 4-9 it says, “To faith we are to add goodness; to goodness, knowledge; to knowledge, self control; to self control, perseverance; to perseverance, godliness; to godliness, kindness; to brotherly kindness, love.”

    Lord, please forgive me and anyone with me in Murray Energy Corp. for the decisions that we are now forced to make to preserve the very existence of any of the enterprises that you have helped us build. We ask for your guidance in this drastic time with the drastic decisions that will be made to have any hope of our survival as an American business enterprise.
    Amen.

    After Obama reelection CEO reads prayer to staff, announces layoffs - The Washington Post
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    I didn't read them, so I don't even know what they say.

    It's just that you seem so intent on discrediting sources.......why do you care so much? whose opinions are you working so hard to protect?
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    No I don't....

    If I ever made over 250k or 500k or 1 million a year, I was say that I make to much and let someone else get a pay raise or a promotion.

    Hell if I made 100k a year I was say I make to much, give some to the other workers....

    Money doesn't have power over me, same with power and greed....I know what's important in life and money is just a false sense of security. As long as I have a roof over my head and food in my belly you'll never hear me complain.

    I work because I love to work, I don't do it for the money, I would rather be on a farm rasing my own crops and cattle, living off the land. I work because I like to help people and I love my coworkers. I could make more else where but I don't covet money so it doesn't make it into my thought process, other things matter more to me....area....people.....family....
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    you ever hear of the adage 'money changes everything'?

    talk is cheap

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    Ever heard of more money more problems?

    Just because you can't fathom not coveting money, doesn't mean the rest of of us can't....Money is just paper....dirt.....nothing more......nothing less......

    What real value is, is in the eye of the beholder, I value family and friends not paper...I value time not paper......I value honesty and courage not paper.....

    Money only changes you if you let it.....:cool:
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    so basically, you've never had money, so you don't know and are just throwing idealistic babble up in the air.......that's fine.

    money means different things at different times......do you have children? probably not

    I've never cared about money beyond prudent saving practices for particular needs......buying a house, saving for kids college, marriage....saving for retirement.

    In my life I've also had the experience of running a business, having employees to worry about. hiring people and having to lay people off. through those, the notion of money becomes even more important.

    when you only give a ***** about yourself, money doesn't have to be important....have fun


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    I do well for myself. Firmly entrenched in the middle-class. I really don't have to think about money. We aren't big spenders, we save quite a bit of cash each month.

    What was the point of this post? Oh, some of us do not need gobs of money to have a high quality of life. I'm very happy right now and I do not see more money changing that level of happiness. Sure, sometimes I think that having more money would be nice, but I like working, it makes life interesting.
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    some people think that needing to think/worry about money is tantamount to greed.

    to state that so arbitrarily only means that that person has never really had to worry about someone else.

    your method of living well within your means is sensible and allows you to be comfortable and happy.

    I am comfortable and happy. but I have to hustle in business because the jobs of others had to rely on that. making deals, maximizing margins and ROI...... having to lay someone off really really really sucks
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    Yeah, this guy is basically a piece of human excrement.
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    I work hard, I hustle, people rely on my ability to get stuff done. I just don't stress over it.

    My family was very poor. I supposed I bootstrapped myself. However, I don't have this need to accumulate wealth or have the fear that I will somehow fail.
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    you ever lay someone off? even more so, you ever lay someone off because of a deal you could not close?
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    I worked in a family consulting business and had to lay off a few people when the economy tanked in 2009. We then had to close up shop because the work entirely dried up. Was unemployed for 9 months and finally found job. Very happy where I landed.
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    I went 22 months without paying myself.......mortaged my house....then sold out to prevent closing up. now I am chained to the place for the next 10 years
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    There are more than a few out there PR who do not understand the nature of capitalism and our economy. Many companies due to the length of the recession long ago maxed out on cutting out the fat in oreder to retain employees. there is no more fat to cut ... or overhead to trim ... all that is left is to let employees go.

    Companies do not take pride in this though some in this forum seem to insinuate that they do for vindication. It is cheaper to retain employees than it is to hire and train new ones ... companies don't layoff for no good reason. They layoff to save the company and the other jobs that exist in it.
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    Icy, I know Capitalism. It's what I do for a living. I manage over $55 million in investments for my clients (each and everyone a Captalist also) as a Certified Financial Planner for a Fortune 500 Broker/Dealer.

    And I call BS.

    The stock market is over 12,800. We have a RECORD $3 trillion+ in corporate cash just sitting there. The Consumer Sentiment numbers out today show the most confidence since Spring 2007.

    BullCrap, OK? The public job cutting announcements by large companies in the past few days is posturing and political whining. Large cap corps are playing politics and using employees as human shields.

    Ever look at the the past 6 months worth of the jobs reports? Know where the greatest GAINS in new jobs are? SMALL BUSINESS. Know where the greatest jobs losses have been? GOVERNMENT. And now it's the Large caps that are announcing with great fanfare the layoffs.

    We have just lived through an election where delusion and belief (Dick Morris, Karl Rove) were proven wrong by empirical data and facts (Nate Silver, Sam Wang, Drew Linzer).

    Perhaps now, it's time to recognize the importance of looking at facts instead of whomever is the loudest voice.

    I agree with your last paragraph when talking about SMALL BUSINESSES (btw, the ones who are ADDING the most jobs). But not regarding the large caps - - who have CEO's who flit from one company to the next with golden parachutes and were not the founders or sweat-equity contributors to the companies they leave. THOSE are the guys who are using their employees as human shields now for political reasons.
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    corporations have the right to keep their cash. unlike 12-15 years ago, it benefits a company to have cash sitting around. inflation is much lower than the economic uncertainty these days.


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    Question: I have never/ever read a comment you've posted where you wrote you thought the economy was headed in a negative direction.

    I know you must know that it will go up and it will go down...but would you ever say you believe we're headed in a negative direction?

    I ask because I don't recall you coming here in 2007 or 2008 and stating you believed we were headed into a historical recession. And I'm wondering why you didn't. Now maybe you can prove me wrong....as I'm not one to go hunting through you post history.

    P.S. I'm sure you want to turn around my question and ask the opposite. But I don't advise investors, I advise retailers and my company on where my category is going based upon economic factors.

    BTW...overall, I do not believe the private sector should be in a hiring mode right now. Attitudes and opinions do not reflect reality.
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