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  1. Patters

    Patters Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Obviously, way to early to predict anything, but it is interesting that Edwards seems to be the strongest Democrat.

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/4/9/164528/2571

    Here's the latest Rasmussen results in match-ups of Edwards
    and Republican candidates

    Edwards (49%) Giuliani (43%)
    Edwards (50%) Huckabee (41%)
    Edwards (47%) McCain (38%)
    Edwards (55%) Romney (29%)
    Edwards (50%) Thompson (36%)

    Here are Hillary's numbers:

    Clinton (46%) Brownback (41%)
    Clinton (50%) Gingrich (43%)
    Clinton (47%) Giuliani (48%)
    Clinton (48%) Hagel (40%)
    Clinton (47%) McCain (46%)
    Clinton (50%) Romney (41%)
    Clinton (43%) Thompson (44%)

    And Obama's numbers:

    Obama (49%) Brownback (34%)
    Obama (48%) Gingrich (38%)
    Obama (43%) Giuliani (44%)
    Obama (50%) Hagel (34%)
    Obama (52%) Huckabee (32%)
    Obama (44%) McCain (44% )
    Obama (51%) Romney (36%)
    Obama (49%) Thompson (37%)
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    #24 Jersey

    It seems like a bad dream that the Dems have Congress and that this is the field of Republicans in 18 months. WTF.
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    Whoever takes office has a tough job and is destined to take the blame for all the screw-ups of Bush. This economy and real estate is about to take a huge dive, and our international respect is zero. It might be smart for Karl Rove to purposely lose this election, make the other side look bad, and then gear up immediately for the 2012 election.
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    #24 Jersey

    We're closer to the bottom than the top in real estate now . . . and I've heard the same thing about the ecomony for, what, 5 years in a row ? I shudder to think of the money I'd have lost by not putting it in the stock market had I listened to all the chicken littles out there.

    But, sure, getting out of Iraq and dealing with the Middle East isn't going to be easy.
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    Tell me, did we lose any international respect when we orchestrated that whole capture of 15 British sailors...?
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    Don't kid yourself. We lost far more respect when Bill Clinton was in office. They were selling "Billy Boy" rubbers in Moscow, laughing up their sleeve.

    What Americans need to know is that, despite what the elites running the national media would have us believe, the rest of the world does NOT engage in wife-swapping, encourage recreational sex in every imaginable form of advertising, give protected civil rights status to homosexuality, or think it "natural" that kids start having sex in their early to mid-teens, or that husbands and wives cheat on each other, or have divorce rates of 50 to 65%.

    All these things escalated like a wildfire in August under the Clintons. Now that's losing respect in the world's eyes.


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    I can't help but be amused by a post like this... essentially you're saying "It's way too early to predict anything, but here are some predictions."

    Yeah, that makes sense :rolleyes:
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    I've never cared what other people think of us, since everyone else has always wanted to be just like us, but to say that we globally lost respect under Clinton is beyond ridiculous. The masses loved Clinton. He was a politicians, politician. In Italy, they all loved him, and they all dislike Bush. Of course, there, it has always been a Dem vs. Repub thing. Italians have always liked Dem candidates more so than Repubs, as a mtter of political ideology. Italy is very socialist. What's interesting there though, is that they are moving more and more toward capitalist thinking. Prodi, the socialist president who narrowly defeated Berlusconi, is becoming very unpopular, and most of my friends and family there regret voting out Berlusconi who was more business, and free economy oriented. Italy is having a serious problem with illegal immigrants who are draining social services. Ah, but I digress.....
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    Where are the particulars of the poll? It only says that there were 800 people surveyed via telephone. I couldn't find how many claimed to be supporters of which party. Does anyone see that anywhere on the site?
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    Man.....

    Fred Thompson hasn't even announced yet, and he is pulling big #s. Shows how weak the republican field is at this early stage.


    I'd love to have the choice of Obama and Thomspon. Kinda like the anti-bush / kerry voting for th elesser of perceived evils at the time.
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    Yes, Italy and the rest of "old Europe" does like the socialist way, but for the former communist nations, the "new Europe", there is a strong distrust of government-controlled programs. They hate taxes where I live (former Soviet) and openly escape the taxman's dictates whenever and where ever they can.

    So the Clintons' socialistic agenda is far more amenable to old Europe than to us in new Europe.

    They did sell rubbers here, called "Billy Boy" condoms, in the late 90s, and most thought he was a dork.

    Bush came here in 2003 and was warmly greeted by a large crowd. Not only here but all over the former communist nations of eastern Europe.


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    I don't think socialistic is a word.

    But here are some facts about "new Europe":

    In Moldova (new Europe), the party in control there is called the Party of Communists of the Republic of Moldova. They are the first communists to be democratically elected into power since the fall of the Soviet Union. The communists won re-election in 2005.

    In Ukraine (new Europe), the pro-western president is as unpopular in his country as George Bush is in America. The pro-west policies have ruined Ukraine's economy. The pro-Russian party is far ahead in the polls.

    In Belarus (new Europe), the pro-Russian president won re-election with 84% of the vote in 2006 .

    In Bulgaria (new Europe), the socialist party was elected into a majority in 2005.

    In Slovakia (new Europe), the social democratic party was elected into a majority in 2006.

    In Poland (new Europe), the pro-west president has recently appointed his brother to be prime minister, this has resulted in a loss of support.

    In Russia (new Europe), Putin had a 81% approval rating in Feb of '07.
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    Eastern Europe shows up to GW's speech's while Old Europe protests them. It's a clash of ideological thinking.
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    So long as you also understand that party names and what each stands for, doesn't always translate into what we would affiliate it to here. Furthermore, simply citing pols doesn't talk of what the circumstances in each respective country might be. For example, do you really think the 81% approval for Putin is legit? Maybe you missed the violent anti-Putin protests, murders of his disidents, and the government takeover of TV?
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    So social democratic or socialist parties in "new Europe" are pro-American but they're anti-American in "old Europe" ?

    Just because they have protests doesn't mean the majority of the population agrees with them. Look at the protests before the Iraq invasion, what good did they do and were they representative of the overall public at the time? No.
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    I never said they were pro-american, nor anti. I'm simply saying that certain party names, along our line of thinking, do not totally resonate with what we are typically accustomed to them meaning. Take Communist for example. We instantaneously think KGB, Stalin, etc... It's not necessarily like that in these respective countries. Right wing, left wing, etc...they don't directly translate from nation to nation.

    Aren't you the guy who once told me that large crowds mean a leader is popular and well liked?
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    I agree to an extent. But most social democratic parties are considered left wing in their own countries. I don't think we should label one part of Europe pro-American or pro-Bush and the other the anti-American or anti-Bush. In Denmark for example (a stalwart member of old Europe) they've elected a very conservative party and the population isn't as anti-Bush as most of its neighbors.

    I honestly don't remember saying such a thing.
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    Very true, but in those countries, or most euro countries, there is the existence of communist parties which are actively involved in government. Again, they aren't the KGB types we think of, but they are far left on most issues, and even far right on others. Euro, and now former soviet nations, have a multitude of parties that are involved in government. Dont forget, that some of these countries were once run by fascists, and communists, which is something we've never experienced here. People in here have argued over which of these is right and left by our standards. So yes, where they are considered left in their respective countries, my point was that their left, and our left, aren't always the same. We're not far off.


    Hugo Chavez ring a bell? :D
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    Ohh yeah. I remember the title. "Hugo Chavez more popular in NY than Bush" - blatent attempt to wind up certain members of this site. :D
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    #12 Jersey

    Nah, when you consider he's also favored over Hillary Clinton by Cindy Sheehan and others on the far left.

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