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My number for the Pats is off by $3 million.
My number for the Pats is off by $3 million.
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Don't forget. Money saved will be how much you avoid paying Starks-Poole-CBrown MINUS how much you have to pay for equivalent replacements.PATSNUTme said:We can save 6 mil cutting , Starks, Poole, & C. Brown, .
spacecrime said:Don't forget. Money saved will be how much you avoid paying Starks-Poole-CBrown MINUS how much you have to pay for equivalent replacements.
can you tell why?Miguel said:http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Commentary/Columns/2006/reynolds022006.htm
My number for the Pats is off by $3 million.
ilduce06410 said:can you tell why?
any particular error?
i tend not to trust information just becdause it's printed somewhere.
who is the authoritative "producer" of salary cap data? in other words, whos figures are accepted as gospel by the league and the nflpa?
PATSNUTme said:We can save 6 mil cutting , Starks, Poole, & C. Brown, unless I'm reading Miguels page wrong. If we can restructure Willie, Rosey, even Corey we should be able to come up with another 4-6 mil possibly. I don't know if Tom, or the team, will want to sign a new deal that gives him more bonus money but bring his cap # down.
That should put us in decent shape to re-sign Givens and Adam and Neal if they want to sign. Plus go after some other FA.
Miguel said:I'm hoping that it is because of Jarvis Green. On 1/22 the Globe had it as 370,000. I have it as $3.7 million. I thought that the Globe had a typo. Now, I am not sure. Of course, it could be that the Patriots did away with some LTBE incentives (Gorin,Hochstein, and Light) without announcing it.
While I am also wary of accepting salary cap numbers, I have no reason to doubt that ProFootball Weekly's numbers are accurate as they fall in line with other published numbers. The NFLPA numbers are gospel. I and other amateur capologists strive to have our numbers match the NFLPA numbers.
ilduce06410 said:.... why would nflpa give its numbers to someone else before publishing themself?
.... the nflpa figures have to come from somewhere. most likely they come from a guy at nflpa offices, who sits in a cubicle all day, reads contracts and tries to extrapolate numbers. i can't be sure if he talks to agents, but he certainly talks to the franchises' capologists regularly.
i've had great success just calling these guys and chatting them up. they're just humans.
in some times i flew to washington and met with them, and sat in on a meeting or two. try it, man. if you have a degree for this stuff the nflpa's cap guy might consider you a peer.
in one of my jobs, in municipal government, i found those meetings to be worth about $1m a year because the figures, within the regulations, contained the most accurate possible information about my municipalities.
if the nflpa numbers are the official figures, work it out with them.
flutie2phelan said:Tantalizing remarks, Duke ... but the part i put in red confuses me. The Washington meeting was with football guys, or government guys? You crashed it, or you belonged there? Worth a million dollars, how? Etc. (You don't need to go into it if you'd prefer not to.)
In any case, we know that every player contract has to be submitted to both the league and the union ... and "not be disapproved" as to form. Thus each group has the complete contract ... and can spreadsheet its numbers to perfect accuracy.
The league is the only enforcer of the salary cap. Therefore its capologists necessarily have the final word. But it would be surprising if they didn't have backchannel discussions with their 32 counterparts. The league officially keeps its mouth shut ... while the PA puts up certain compensation info on the web.
Like you, i'd be interested in knowing the provenance of this assertedly more complete information.
ilduce06410 said:1. the washington meetings were with government guys and consultants to those guys.
2. i suppose i was entitled to be there. either as a municipal rep or as a citizen. most government meetings are public unless otherwise specified. for the meeting actually to be non-public, the agency has to publish a notice declaring the meeting to be private. the notice must be published 48 hours prior to the date of the meeting. this was a provision of the freedom of information act (FOIA). this probably doesn't apply to **** cheney's meetings.
most folks who are inclined to crash meetings use this statute.
3. federal funds that are distributed from feds to states to municipalities are given out using a mathematic formula specified in the authorizing federal statute.
for example, there's a controversy now over distribution of federal homeland security funds because the money's given out based on a population-based formula. so if there's a population-based formula, worcester mass, pop 150,000 with no homeland security issues, nonetheless gets a hunka money (0.03% of the total, or $300K), while groton, ct, pop 50,000, that houses a submarine base, gets (0.005 of $1 billion, or $50,000).
of course people with a grain of sense in their heads want to reverse that equation, and to do that the formula has to be changed. the administration doesn't wanna do it. until the congress changes it, latwon, oklahoma will get money that should be going to fort sill, etc.
more to come
these contracts are complicated, and they're increasingly incentive-based. as i understand it, incentive payments are not counted against that year's cap, but against the following year's cap.flutie2phelan said:Thanx. I see it now. No need for more.
I thought you meant it all had some bearing on the NFL salary cap.
Miguel said:I'm hoping that it is because of Jarvis Green. On 1/22 the Globe had it as 370,000. I have it as $3.7 million. I thought that the Globe had a typo. Now, I am not sure. Of course, it could be that the Patriots did away with some LTBE incentives (Gorin,Hochstein, and Light) without announcing it.
first, miguel, you're not allowed to leave new england. we've locked the doors. nobody gets in nobody gets out. until the nfl goes kaput.hwc said:Yeah. Just common sense seems like $3.7 million is a big number for a backup d-lineman.
I can't believe how good you are at keeping up with the numbers. It's the hidden stuff that is so tough -- like all the shucking and jiving the Pats have had to do rewriting SuperBowl LTBE into NLTBE bonuses over the last three years. That stuff hardly ever hits the media in any way that is even remotely complete.