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  1. patsfan13

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    Things of note Al Queda says the focus of the War against America was Iraq, they are adnitting defeat in Iraq. They are moving their focus now back to Afghanistan...

    Good news and a mojor victory for the US, after we were assured by the dems we could not win in Iraq.
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    so you believe everything on a forum?:rolleyes:

    I certainly don't believe it on here.
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    Great news!

    Can the troops come home now?
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    maybe Obama wrote it... or maybe it was NEM
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    Well IIRC the last surge brigade has been withdrawn, Anbar is being turned over to the Iraqi's and the Iraqi's are targeting the US being out by 2011. Looks like we will be in Afghanistan/Pakistan a bit longer.

    What is it about libs that they want instant gratification? I know you don't view yourself that way but very few of your views are inconflict with the dem platform.
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    Why are the terrorist lying to each other?
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    You know that's bullsh!t, 13.
    Your simple-minded characterization of me reflects your even more simple-minded view of the world. Black and white. Liberal and conservative. The democrat platform is neither lib or con. It's the same as the republican platform. Wake up and stop being led around by the nose by your president, pastor and media. They're all full of sh!t.

    I'm a Goldwater conservative. Do you know what that is? I believe in the Constitution and foreign policy traditions that we have lost since WWII. We usd to be a peaceful, non-interventionist society. We never used to strike first. We used to conduct our affairs here and abroad with a view to long-term advantage. We have become an ADD society that only cares about the immediate situation and has no sense of history. Bush and his rumpswab co-conspirators act like radical lunatics when it comes to foreign and domestic policy. They fight and spend like drunken sailors.

    Does the Democratic platform favor the abolition of the IRS and the Dept of Education? Does it oppose the use of "hate crime" legislation? Does it oppose affirmative action and generational welfare? Is it for the protection of the 2nd Ammendment? Hell, it isn't even against the war in Iraq!

    Quit trying to pidgeon-hole me and other indepent types into your "for us or against us" crap. There is no meaning to the terms "democrat', "conservative", "republican, or "liberal" anymore. I don't change with the times and act like a media puppet as easily as some would.

    Sorry. Not playing that dumb game.
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    What lends some truth to this story is that the NY Times, CBS, NBC, PBS MSNBC (matthews/olberman) haven't spoken the word "Iraq" in months, if these Left Wingers aren't talking about the war that's "Good News" for America.

    They only mention Iraq now when they are squealing about "surrender" what it looks like is, We're winning anf the Liberal Sore Losers still want us to "surrender".

    :bricks:
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    We won't be out of there in 2011. We'll be drawn down for sure. Maybe 60-80k strong at that point.
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    Excellent!

    Mission accomplished!

    Let's now move our soldiers out of there, OK, patsfan13?

    Huh, why not?
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    The answer, patsfans13, is that we are great at winning wars - - but we suck at occupations/police actions/nation-building.

    Bush 41 and the real pros he has around him KNEW that and acted accordingly. Bush 43 and the neo-cons with the gyroscope eyes around him still don't.
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    Whoopsie doo, we waged war and Al Qaeda came in and now they left. So, we have brought Iraq back to the pre-war state with regard to Al Qaeda. It's a victory in the same sense that rebuilding after the WTC attack is a victory.

    Meanwhile, the basic problem remains: We took out Iran's biggest enemy, freeing up Iran's resources so they could build nukes rather than guard against Saddam, and the Iraqi government seems to be asserting its independence of the US and there's a good chance will end up in the Iranian orbit, especially if we continue to maintain a military presence in Iraq and alienate its people.
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    honor exists among thieves?
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    I am proud of our people ... they were thrown into a war where they were clearly outmatched (terrorists) and adapted. it took longer than expected but then the enemy ... many of them were hardened veterans of guerilla type warfare.

    It seems many of them have moved on to Pakistan and Afghanistan ... and they will always be somewhere. There will always be a certain % of Muslims who wish to die as martyrs. We have our percentages in this country who wish to die as gang members ... those people exist in this world ... sad to say.

    What I hope happens now is that the Muslim world begins to see ... and I think it is already taking place ... that these people just enjoy killing ... they get off on it and they live for it ... they think it pleases freaking allah ... I doubt it does because he doesn't exist ... what god would enjoy killing? Many more hundreds of thousands perhaps millions will die in the name of religion until this earth blows up ... hopefully we have learned how to deal with them.
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    you are indeed right. just like vietnam and adapting to the trench and tunnel warfare.

    I will never criticize the military personnel. It's the people who are in charge that send them off into the fire. I still think we shouldn't be there.
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    "What I hope happens now is that the Muslim world begins to see ... and I think it is already taking place ... that these people just enjoy killing ... they get off on it and they live for it ..."

    A little late to learning about the Middle East, FBN? You think this will be some kind of revelation to folks in the Middle East?

    Got news for ya. Terrorist attacks, suicide bombings, etc have been a staple of the Middle East for thousands of years. They even fire military rounds of submachine guns for everyday neighborhood celebration.

    There will not be any scenes of Iraqis around the dinner table exclaiming "Oh my, these brutes, we've never seen such inhumanity!" Does the everyday Iraqi hate the wanton violence? Of course. But for you to pin hopes on them beginning to see "that these people just enjoy killing ... they get off on it and they live for it ..." is naive and late to the game.

    Maybe for YOU (and W) this has been a learning experience, but for anyone who knows the Middle East? Nope.
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    Wow .. really .. I never knew that.:confused:
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    ""What I hope happens now is that the Muslim world begins to see ... and I think it is already taking place ... that these people just enjoy killing ... they get off on it and they live for it ..."

    Evidently.
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    Two things. First off, it's expressly because of the fact that the ME hasn;t changed in thousands of years, that the people in charge chose a strategy of geopolitical change in the ME, post 9/11. Say what you will about the intelligence of undertaking such a daunting task, but it is why we're there. Second, it is because of the carnage and violence, committed by terrorist muslims, that we've succeeded there. People simply tired of the death and destruction everyday, that they made amends with the "infidels", to achieve peace. So I'd say they've absolutely begun to see that senseless killing is inhumane. Are they now staples of civility? No, but they've taken the first steps toward becoming so.
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    no, now we have to move to Afghanistan...so we can chase the terrorist into Pakistan

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