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  1. patsfan13

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    I guess Bobby Byrd prevailed on some of his friends to join Murtha and the boys against the WOT. I guess the Anti War left has gotten through to another group.:p
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    Actually I take Zawahiri and OBL at their word, they have said that it is essential to defeat demoracy and the US in Iraq.
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    NEM, I don't know why you are wasting time responding to Pafsfan13's foolishness.

    The dude is desperatelyl searching for justifications for George Bush sending 2,520 American boys to theri deaths. He belongs to the nuthouse with Rick Santorum.



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    Actually just havin some fun with the KKK thing, no sense of humor I guess.
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    #75 Jersey

    What has the Iraq war accomplished in the WOT so far?

    1. Lybia has declared and destroyed their WMD's and nuke program. They have denounced terrorism. That would not have happened if we didn't go into Iraq and they saw that we were serious about it.

    2. We have removed a regime that sponsored, funded, and trained terrorist. I did not say Al Quida because there has been no absolute proof that Saddam was DIRECTLY involved with Al Quida. But, Al Quida is just one terrorist organization that has evil intentions toward us.

    There were terrorist training camps in Iraq ( Salman Pak for one). Once a terrorist is trained, no one knows where he will go aftert he training.

    3. We are in the process of setting up a democracy in Iraq. That will be one less regime tha will fund, sponsor and train terrorist in the Mid-East.

    We have also killed a great many terrorist both Iraqi and non Iraqi.

    4. As just reported, we have found over 500 shells containing mustard and sarin gas. Although these shells are degraded and can't be used for their intended purposes (artillery rounds with chemical warheads), if they fell into the hands of terrorist who were trained in chemical warfare, the substances could be used as terrorist weapons in other ways.

    These are certainly not harmless.

    So, in my view and for the reasons stated, this war has been worth it so far.
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    NEM is now on the same side as the KKK and jew-haters like Cindy Sheehan, this is priceless and well deserved.
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    So what you are saying is that we should have waited until Saddam had nukes pointing at us before you considered him a threat eh? By then it would have too late to do anything.
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    I'm not so sure about that NEM. Both seem to be baiting him into war while most of his advisors and the Pentagon are trying to put him on Prozac.
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    I know where you get your political inspiration , YOU are one of his nation followers.
    http://mediamatters.org/static/audio/savage-20060613-clinton.mp3
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    I think Savage is a moron a la Al Franken.

    My inspiration was Byrd using the N word during an interview (in the 90's IIRC) and then getting a pass from the party and the media. If a conservative had said that OTOH...
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    #75 Jersey

    So what I posted was not a realistc summary of what has been achieved so far? Where was I off base?

    I have no preference for the next one. I hope that there is no next one.

    Each case has to be viewed and handled differently. However, my gut feeling is that even after Bush leaves office we are headed for a showdown with Iran. But, that doesnot mean military invasion.
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    Worth it, eh, PatsNut? Just what price have YOU paid? What have YOU sacrificed?
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    Maybe it was this conservative intellectual?????

    http://mediamatters.org/static/audio/limbaugh-20060313-slave.mp3
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    Really , you make your own decision's, what's your decision on these two administation officials view of saddam hussein in 2001????

    http://thememoryhole.org/war/powell-rice-wmd.wmv
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    I agree with Clinton in 1998 when he said that Saddam had WMD and signed a resolution from congress endorsing regieme change in Iraq.
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    So now you have to rely on another''LIAR'' to prove your point???
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    Well Kerry and the rest of the dem leadership were saying the same things were they all liars too?
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    I would say yes!! Unless you can show us where the nuclear/chemical/biological/mobile-chem-bio-labs/A whole fleet of unmanned aerial vehicles, are with proof???
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    Accoring to the UN reports (2004) they were moved out of the country.
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    Actually leonard nimoy is ressurecting his old ''IN SEARCH OF SHOW"" with the flashing red light, to prove your theory along with sasquatch and ufo's.
    ;)
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    WHAT do you say we invest 100's of billions more and get hunting like we did in 2003. Just to make sure:cool:
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    Moved out of the country, you say? Would you care to provide specific references to the UN report you say makes those claims?
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    #75 Jersey

    That is the in the top 10 stupidest replies to date (excluding Mikey who is on my ignore list so I can only see the stupid thread titles that he starts). You can't really respond to the points that I made so have to get hysterical and personal.

    I won't go into the past again and the "price" that I paid. I know what these young men and women are going through so I do not make those statements lightly.

    How about you- have you paid ANY price to live in this great country? You don't have to but there are a lot of people who have made the sacrifices when it was their time.
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    Here are some links:http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0404/jkelly042004.asp

    JWR only wants short excerpts, see full article for commnets by David ISG group and UNSCOM for further comments.

    another article: http://www.nysun.com/article/12154?page_no=1

    This is page 3 of an article examing the activities of the ISG.


    Third link an article Interviewing a Military Intel officer who worked with UNSCOM.

    http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20154

    David KAy member of UNSCOM & ISG:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...25.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/01/25/ixnewstop.html

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    Hope this helps.
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    Just for grins and to stir the pot here is a report on Mohammed Atta's trip to Europe to visit with IIS.

    http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/PragueApril2004.htm

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    url]http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200406030932.asp[/url]


    BTW this article reports on the NYT attampt to dispute the meeting and the subsequent retraction after President Havel saud their report was false.
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    Patsfan13,

    Mainefan is asking for the link to the UN REPORT and you end up with your usual suspects of outdated right-wing articles and websites.

    Show us the link to the ACTUAL UN REPORT.

    The UN Report and not some right-wing articles.


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    Actually I just can across this stuff while googleing today. I was mistaken I saw refrences to USSCOM mobbers no a report from them they weren't in IRaq until very late in the ISG process.

    BTW did you actually read any of the articles?

    I'll bet you didn't. Right?
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    Patsfan13, you cited a UN report and that's what I'd like to know about. I keep hearing claims, but fail to see any supporting evidence. Even the Bush administration has not made the claims you think you've found in a UN document.

    Patsnutme, I don't believe I have made your acquaintance, and since you don't know me, you have no idea what price I might have paid to live in America. Suffice it to say that I served my time in the US military. I see no reason to be more specific.

    My point to you is that anything is worth the price if you don't have to pay for it. Was the Iraq war worth the price to the parents of the 2500 US soldiers who have died there? What about to the 50,000 Iraqi civilians who have lost their lives in the war? Do you think they'd say the democracy we've given them was worth the price?

    Was it worth the price to alienate for generations the entire Moslem world? Was it worth the price to sacrifice the world's opinion of the United States as the world's moral leader? Was it worth the price to take our eye off Afghanistan and put it at risk--again? Was it worth the price to create a regime in Iraq that gives women fewer rights than they had under Saddam? Was it worth the billions it cost to depose a dictator and leave a civil war in its place? Was it worth the price to demonstrate to the world just how weak we are, militarily and politically?

    If you're calculating the value by today's results, there's no way it was worth the price. Might it someday turn out to have been worth the price? Only history knows.

    But the casual remark "It was worth the price" is unsupportable, assumptive and partisan. It does not rise to the level of thoughtful analysis.

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