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    Re: Kraft apologizes for illegal filming flap

    Same here, serious praise !!
     
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    Re: Kraft apologizes for illegal filming flap

    Egg - effin - zactly.

    NaPolian despises BB because he can't intimidate BB, because BB doesn't worship him, because BB sees NaPolian for what he truly is...scum. Evil, filthy scum.
     
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    Re: Kraft apologizes to fellow owners

    A - effin - men.

    Their words mean less than nothing to me. Eff them.
     
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    Re: Kraft apologizes for illegal filming flap

    1) He (and Dungy) are on the CC. Without going before the league as a whole the CC "re-emphasized" the 5-yard chuck rule after the 2003 AFCC. He based it on the league approving that change in 1978. When Jimmy Carter was president. When "-gate" was not routine applied. When the Panama Canal was an American territory. Before Saddam Hussien was in power. The 2003 AFCC was used as an example to refs how to not call a game.

    Yes, when attacked we feel put upon.:rolleyes:

    BTW, it is Bill POlion. (He mispronounces "Patriots" and turnabout is fair play.)
     
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    Re: Kraft apologizes for illegal filming flap

    No one is sure what he actually said, as the noise from the standing ovation was amplified through the sound system.
     
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    I agree that the Patriots had a legitimate case. However, Goodell didn't bring this upon them. I think it's crazy to say that it was his fault, and even crazier to think the Pats' penalty should be revoked. That will make you look ridiculous in the eyes of all other NFL fans.
     
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    The problem is not that the Pats didn't break a rule and get punished severely for it. That is acceptable if Goodell would have been applied his strict rulings evenly and fairly. Starting with the so called investigation of who leaked the Pats tape to Fox, every other violation was swept under the rug.
     
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    1.) Goodell brought this upon them. This is beyond question. He is the only one who could have, because he was the only one with the power to do so.

    2.) Of course it was Goodell's 'fault'. He overreacted and everything that has happened since has been a rational and easily foreseen result of his stupidity (other than Spector's nonsense).

    3.) I agree that thinking the penalty should be revoked at this point is just foolish. The team should have appealed the moment that asinine ruling was handed down. By not doing so, the Patriots accepted the punishment. The team was just about as idiotic as could be with regards to how this was handled. Whoever recommended the strategy they used should be flogged on a daily basis. It just goes to show that even the best people sometimes make monumentally stupid decisions.
     
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    To whom?

    They broke a rule. They got caught.

    The BB "interpretation" is silly. I would have punished him too for using that as an excuse for doing something the rules prohibit.

    The point that others likely have gotten away with similar stuff is also true. When they get caught equally red-handed, I hope they will be punished.

    I swear that we are going to be the last ones left to not let it go. If BB and Kraft think an apology was necessary, I'm not going to disagree. Part of me thinks it was way overdue. The other part of me thinks that this is right -- they apologized after they had taken the heat for it for nearly a year and so there can be no doubt about the sincerity of the apology. I kind of wouldn't have minded an apology to the fans either. I feel we're entitled too, although I realize I'm in a very distinct minority on this board at least that thinks anyone did anything wrong.
     
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    Re: Kraft apologizes for illegal filming flap

    Not to nit-pick, but wasn't that Mark Twain?
     
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    It does sound like something that Twain would have said, but Lincoln is generally credited with using that phrase before Twain. He may not have been the first to use some variation of it, however.
     
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    Yes, I do believe we will be the last to let go of this.

    Why?

    The rule infraction, while of debatable egregiousness, wasn't unprecedented. The subsequent judgment, while of dubious materiality, most assuredly was unprecedented.

    From a fan's point of view, the problem this conundrum holds for us (prior experience vs an uncertain future, enforcement-wise) is that, until we are shown by experience otherwise, we will always wonder if we were not victimized by the very forces that were designed to protect us, in that the pompous pontifications of "the integrity of the game being at stake", to ostensibly promote a "level playing field" and enhance the public's perception of an ethical approach to a violent game, has merely been a cover to corrupt the efforts of one organization by fiat, when other methods, including, but not limited to, besting this organization on the field itself, have not sufficed.

    In other words, a "level playing field" should be just that - which requires that any and all like infractions of this game's rules see a like enforcement of sanctions that befit the degree of lumber that was places on the Patriots for their percieved misdeeds.

    In another time, such actions would doubtless have spawned innumerable conspiracy theories on how the league (i.e., every other team out there) has sought to bring down a successful team by means more foul than fair. But in this case, it is merely the machinations of one man, driven by Lord knows what kind of impudent doppelganger, that has roused the Calvinist fears that surely lies deep in the hearts of all New Englanders.

    The point of all this mindless rambling (I admit that what it is!) is that the angst we feel in the wake of this episode is not simply the proper response we should hold, it is the only response we should hold.

    To paraphrase the coach we all hold dear to us, we are who we are, and we offer no apologies for that!
     
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    OK, thanks for the clarification! :cool:
     
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    How can an apology be overdue? Belichick apologized right after it happened.
     
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    my God, Dungy is such a scumbag sack of dicks.

    I thought it wasn't possible. I really didn't. But now i hate him even more than before.

    I'm sure he'll write another book called "Strength to Love" and pretend it's just another coincidence.
     
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    I don't think I understand, but it's well written.

    My view is that it's ok to be pissed about what Belichick did. I am.

    The outrageous reaction and media crusade, not to mention the hypocritical sanctimony, were worse and deeply troubling.

    But these are not the same thing. It's easy to conflate them. I think most have. I think most have so much so that they think point 2 excuses or makes irrelevant point 1. Not to me. One thing is one, and the other is the other, although there is some blurring on the hypocricy point. But point 1 is still point 1, and it needed to be addressed by BB and Kraft, and so I applaud them for doing it. I doubly applaud them for doing it at a time when it was clear it was sincere -- they had nothing to gain by doing it now. They've already taken the full measure of the hit on this, and then some. (See point number 2.) That they've done it in this way is a reflection of their sincerity.
     
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    Notice how this pusillanimous piece of crap never mentioned BB's apology, just BK's.

    Does this mean that Dungheep has changed his mind about having BK as an employer? Don't forget that, shortly after Cameragate broke, this douchebag was quoted as saying that he was glad that he didn't work for an owner who would allow such things to occur under him.

    The mere fact that he would rather work for the treacherous, lying, thieving Irsays instead of the season ticket-holding, franchise-saving Krafts should be all one needs to know about the hypocritical, smarmy, cowardly pile of Tony Dungheep.

    Eff anyone associated with the dolts to hell.
     
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    Mindless rambling? I thought it was rather articulate, save for the few spelling errors.
    Especially the mention of the hypocritical indignation directed at our guys.
    Great post. :rocker:
     
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