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  1. khayos

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    Anyone else notice that on each of the reports that came out about Korans being damaged this weekend had a picture caption or a link indicating that it was done by someone from the Tea Party? I was pretty disturbed about it. As a tea partier, I'd contend that the movement is only about smaller government / lower taxes and has stayed away (and should stay away) from any other political and social issues. I was disappointed and not sure if it's a media attack or if elements of the Tea Party movement are trying to manipulate it for other gains.
     
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    I think this is what people have been trying to say all along, khayos. There are always elements which attach themselves to political parties and/or movements which have agendas far beyond the original scope. Just as the
    "left" has always attracted people drawn to communism or socialism, the "right" has always attracted people drawn to discrimination and hate. I think that because The Tea Party is already somewhat of a fringe element to The Republican Party it is going to attract those who are farther "right" than Republican - and unfortuately, that's going to contain religious and racist bigots.

    There have been clues that this has been happening all the while, khayos, ever since The Tea Party was formed. We've discussed them numerous times here - they've been discussed numerous times elsewhere. I think that because the Tea Party is so loosely organized, because, as you've said, there are no "leaders" and there is no "spokesperson," it's been hard to reign in the extremists - and no one's really attempted to do so. Some Tea Party members disavow them but others are content to remain quiet - and by doing so, silently condone it. Other people, much admired by The Tea Party (Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Rand Paul) say many things which can be interepted as to be encouraging to them - and off they go - on their own, but thinking they're sanctioned by the people they regard as leaders. The less that's been said to condemn them, the bolder they've gotten.

    I think that's why "the left" has never really considered them a serious threat - the very thing you decry, strong leadership, is a necessity of life in a large group. What you call "small government" and regard as multiple small groups who are part of a larger movement turns into anarchy in a heartbeat - or in the burning of a Koran.

    Eventually it turns off the more moderate members or followers and they become disillusioned and disappear - and poof!! The "Movement" self-destructs.
     
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    Are people that trash Christians considered "Religious Bigots"?
     
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    Are the Minnesota Twins in the AL Central or AL West?
     
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    Better get used to it unfortunately, I think those kinds of negative portrayals are only going to escalate as election time gets closer, not just November but 2012 too.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    This has always been the problem with clubs, parties, religions, and any other group of similarly-minded people who adhere to a particular set of beliefs or rules. By definition, this group must believe that they (and their beliefs) are superior than the other groups or else they would have just joined the group that was. What other purpose could there be? Unless that club is for a useful purpose like improving a skill, learning new things or sports, I don't want anything to do with it.

    When your club has a few azzholes in it, it is bound to tarnish it's reputation and along with it, you. There has always been the problem that you have to stand up for the dicks in your club or at least take the hit from associating with them because, well... they're in your club.

    It's not the media. Your club just has a lot of losers in it. I cringe when Randy Moss opens his mouth. There was a paranoid freak in my gun club who killed his wife and we were all painted as paranoid gun freaks in the local press. And there's these perverted, child molesting priests in religion I used to belong to. The press was right about them and the church, it turns out.
     
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    I think it's both.

    There will always be loons that attach themselves onto others. No organizations are immune. I think there are also efforts being made by liberals to try and diminish the tea party movement. To think otherwise is just foolish. The left needs to diminish the tea party, it's one of the primary forces against their agenda and IMHO, the biggest threat to ANY incumbent this November.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    There are efforts on both ends of that political tug-o-war. It's the nature of our polarized political system. Everything ends up close to the middle and the money people have their way with the government. Middle class people get screwed regardless of who wins the political battles because, while they think they are making progress, they are just being thrown some entertainment. It's just like the lions eating the christians or the gladiator fights during the end of the Roman Empire. Instead we get Glenn Beck and Chris Matthews.
     
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    It's hilarious how often you contradict yourself in the same post. You whine about how unfairly you were treated, and then you turn right around and do the exact same thing you were just whining about. IOW, you didn't like it when one member of your gun club did something that reflected poorly on you, but then you engage in the exact same kind of bigotry and stereotyping that you condemned in the sentence beforehand. :rofl: :rofl:
     
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    Have pretty much been a pacificist my entire life, as an extension became involved with the Anti-War movement in the 60's.. when that became somewhat crazy with the violence associated with it in the 70's, disavowed myself from that effort...

    Fast forward to the war in Iraq, went to the first anniversary of the invasion of Iraq in NYC for a demonstration... when I got there it was full of a myriad of causes including freeing Mumia Abu-Jamal, freeing Leonard Peletier and a whole bunch of other wacko causes... decided to waste my time elsewhere...

    Will always be a pacifist and always promote my antiwar sentiments, but will not get involved with the larger movement as they tend to be a magnet for the left wing wacko's & frindgies of the world... it is what it is.

    "Waste Deep in the Big Muddy, The Big Fool said to push on"... Pete Seeger
     

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