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    Hmm...I wonder if the state uses this same precedent with other government employees.


    Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    By Alison Gendar, Kevin Deutsch and Pete Donohue
    DAILY NEWS WRITERS

    Tuesday, September 14th 2010

    The protester who burned pages from the Koran outside a planned mosque near Ground Zero has been fired from NJTransit, sources and authorities said Tuesday.

    Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit
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    I don't see the big deal about burning these things, I mean all the time even on 9/11 they had people in different countries burning our flags our currency and everyone is like "thats ok its there right"

    But when the shoe is on the other foot so to speak, its not ok.....I don't get it.....

    Are we so scared of others that we cower too them? Are we so scared we sacrifice our liberty and freedoms for security?

    **** Allah and **** the Qran, any book that teaches hate has no place in America.:americaflag:

    Straight from the book, you can't deny it so don't even try. Don't lie to people about the Qran its an evil book and teaches hate.

    I'm all for liberty and freedom if it doesn't teach hate or violence. Change your book and maybe I and other will change our minds, until you do goodluck.
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    What goes on in other countries is completely irrelevant to this.

    As for the Quran being an "evil" book, have you read it? I haven't. I haven't read the bible either -- but I know that I could cherrypick verse from the bible and claim it to be "evil," too.

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    Interesting story, RW. Curious to see how this unfolds.
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    No, but those who tolerate similar demonstrations in the Arab world also MUST have the same tolerance if our own citizens demonstrate their feelings.

    Why would/could anyone believe otherwise?
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    #24 Jersey

    How do citizens of one country not "tolerate" what happens in other countries? What earthly thing could anyone who lives in one country under one set of rules change what happens in another country which operates under a totally different set of rules? What even makes you think we have the right to attempt to do so? Why do we "tolerate" Sweden having a Socialist government? Why do we "tolerate" North Korea having a Communist regime?

    Better yet, what would you do to show your intolerance? Invade them? Insist they quit burning American flags or we'll do what? Nuke them? Send in American troops to round up the flag burners and arrest them?

    We have absolutely no control over the laws and actions of other countries - and you've seen what happens (Iraq, Afghanistan) when we try to impose our will on them. Are you in favor of it?

    What we do have control over is what people do in our country. The only reputation we need to worry about is our own.

    NJ Transit rules and regulations regarding the "trust" issues set forth in his working agreeement do not extend to Saudi citizens.

    However, on the bright side, that Commie organization, The ACLU, is already looking into taking up the case so it looks like the firing may not be upheld, anyhow.
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    TOLERANCE:

    1 : capacity to endure pain or hardship : endurance, fortitude, stamina

    2a : sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own b : the act of allowing something : toleration

    3: the allowable deviation from a standard; especially : the range of variation permitted in maintaining a specified dimension in machining a piece

    4a (1) : the capacity of the body to endure or become less responsive to a substance (as a drug) or a physiological insult especially with repeated use or exposure <developed a tolerance to painkillers>; also : the immunological state marked by unresponsiveness to a specific antigen (2) : relative capacity of an organism to grow or thrive when subjected to an unfavorable environmental factor b : the maximum amount of a pesticide residue that may lawfully remain on or in food


    In the case of horrendous demonstrations ocurring within the Arab world toward Americans, the tolerance I am referring to is an apparent effort to understand WHY so many Arab/Muslims have hatred for America. If you or I make such an effort to understand/tolerate their behavior, then we MUST do the same for own fellow Americans if they demonstrate against them.

    To do otherwise is hypocritical.

    Just as an FYI, there are many hypocrates out there who cry "Hey, I understand why some Arabs hate America" and then would be the first to be APPALLED if an American burns a koran.
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    #24 Jersey

    Gosh, thank you so much for the definition, PR. I had no idea what the word meant.

    Just to clear things up, are you talking about understanding or tolerance here?

    No one ever said they didn't understand why some Americans hated and feared the religion of Islam - just like those you speak about who say they "understand" why some Arabs hate America.

    And yes, they are still APPALLED when that American burns a Koran. They are APPALLED because they understand that what you feel shouldn't always be what you do. In other words, you don't have to act on your every feeling.

    Especially when doing so violates your country's creed - which is religious freedom for all as well as endangers the lives of your neighbors children who are fighting in other countries to give those countries some of those same rights.

    Besides, how do you know beyond a doubt that those people who say they "understand" Arab hatred of America actually sympathize with flag burning?

    I understand why men rape women - I certainly don't sympathize with it....nor do I tolerate it. But I do understand it.

    Apples and oranges. You're using one word (tolerance) and using the meaning of another (understand) to define it.
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    #75 Jersey

    Maybe he should have burned a flag instead (or a bible). Might have resulted in a promotion.
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    It's very strange isn't it, America supposedly stands for tolerence, kindness, equality, non violence, defenders of womens rights, and on and on with all the rest of the slobbering civil liberty bullsh!t but now they have developed this weird "love affair" with a "religion" a "culture" and "a people" who in the year 2010 still stone, lash and behead human beings also a Culture and a Religion that treats their women like Donkeys and Slaves.

    What Two Faced Phony A$s Kissing Fools We Slopping Blubbering DoGooder Americans have become.
    From the looks of the Tea Party Growth maybe we will be saved.

    I think the reason for the "love affair" between liberal America and the Muslims is very simple, the Muslims HATE America and of course we all know that a good Liberal blames America for everything bad in the world.

    God Damn America
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    No, I'm using the accepted definition of tolerance here;

    2a : sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own
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    If he was on the job when this happened, it's justified. If not, it's a lawsuit.
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    Exactly. It's a stupid, ignorant, and pointless act, but he's free to do it. Certainly, if he burned a Bible or a flag, he never would have been fired. This has been established as part of our freedom of speech. I think these morons should listen to Petraeus and knock this garbage off, but this is the consequence of a free society.
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    F-ck the Christians.

    Shhhhhhhhh oh please, don't offend the Muslims.

    GOD WILLING DEATH TO THE GREAT SATAN AMERICA
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    #91 Jersey

    I was just about to post that if he burned a bible in public he probably be in trouble. And i still think so.
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    Ehhh maybe... it could go that way. He would get negative press, yes, but I doubt he'd be fired. And if he was fired there would be much more outcry. But the ACLU might defend him on this one.
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    If he burned a bible in public the Liberals would make a movie about him and then run him for President.
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    #91 Jersey

    Well trouble but not as much, the whole Koran burning is a hot topic and so its going to get a bigger reaction.
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    So was the firing warranted? I'm curious to see how people feel about it.
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    #24 Jersey

    Maybe not.

    The Hatch Act covers federal employees - and in some cases, state employees as well - and it's pretty definitive - and, depending on the circumstances, (which I don't know) if he identified himself as a member of The Tea Party while he was burning the book (and I don't know that he did - but in another thread Khayos alluded to the fact that he might have) he might have violated it.

    The original Act forbids intimidation or bribery of voters and restricted political campaign activities by federal employees. It prohibits using any public funds designated for relief or public works for electoral purposes. It also forbids officials paid with federal funds from using promises of jobs, promotion, financial assistance, contracts, or any other benefit to coerce campaign contributions or political support.

    The most restrictive measure was brought about by Republicans in the Senate. It dictates that persons below the policymaking level in the executive branch of the federal government must not only refrain from political practices that would be illegal for any citizen but must abstain from "any active part" in political campaigns.

    The Hatch Act also applies by extension to certain employees of state and local governments whose positions are primarily paid for by federal funds.


    Hatch Act of 1939 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    All government jobs, and many private sector employers as well, have prohibitions against getting arrested and doing so may very well result in your being fired. I believe this guy was arrested, quite publicly, yes? There are "moral" clauses in many contracts - violate them by going to jail for something, even if you're not "on the clock" and you're out.

    Not sticking up for The Transit Authority here, and not sticking up for the employee fired, either - just saying.
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    Interesting... I appreciate the info MPFiVA. I'll have to check that out. Thanks.

    And to RW, no I don't think it was. I wouldn't think it was if he burned a flag, Bible, Koran, whatever. As long as it was in off-time, I don't really care.

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