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    Today's Q&A with Mike Reiss - Reiss' Pieces - Boston.com

    In yesterdays Q&A with Mike Reiss on Boston.com, Reiss stated more than once that he thought Koppen was not a lock for the 2009 roster. While Koppen's release would only save about 500K this season, it would free up over $4 million on the 2010 cap, which could be used for Mankins/Wilfork extensions. Al Johnson (950k cap figure) and Koppen both turn 30 this year.

    I think Koppen is an iron clad roster lock for 2009, but I also think that Mike Reiss ( who I have a lot of respect for ) has his finger on the Foxboro pulse much more than I do. What say you?
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    riess is a good reporter but has no inside info, its pure speculation just like everyone here, koppen makes the roster hands down, johnson was brought in for cheap injury insurance, if he was to be cut why wait until the training camp they can use the cap space now, if that was their plan
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    As I said in my post, Koppen's release would only provide 500k to use now if released. The move would most likely be made with an eye on extending Wilfork or Mankins for 2010.
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    i dont buy it , the center in the pats scheme is extremely important he makes all the reads for the other o lineman, why would they risk having al johson come in who has been injury prone, and have him replace koppen who belichick has heaped great praise on for never missing assignments, all this with brady coming of major knee surgery, makes no sense, trust me belichick wouldnt sharethis info with any press guy, and riess is included in that
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    they can extend wilfork and mankins without getting rid of koppen.......right now, the pats can be over the 2010 cap as much as they want
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    That's assuming, of course, that there will even be a cap in 2010. Their actions so far suggest they don't think there will.
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    The offensive linemen that I expect to make the team are the

    following: Kaczur, Koppen, LeVoir, Light, Mankins, Neal, Ohrnberger,

    Vollmer, and Hochstein or Johnson.
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    Which is why the person you're quoting says they pats can be as far over the 2010 cap as they want :p
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    Koppen's a lock, IMO, but Johnson is a pretty good bet to make the squad, too. Koppen struggled quite a bit in SB 42 and had issues at times last year, struggled w the big guys. But overall, like the line as a whole, he is an above average player, and 2 milli ain't much.
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    Even if there is going to be a cap next year, they don't have to be under the cap next season until.... well, next season.

    Reiss' point may be that when Offensive Linemen's skills go, they can go very quickly.
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    I do think Koppen will be on the roster, but i think it's a fair point. I thought he was perhaps the worst of the 5 O-linemen last year and i think the position is very important. But he won't change it until it's necessary, the tightness and chemistry of these 5 are IMO also very important. So i'm sticking with Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal and Kaczur.
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    On one hand, I thought that Koppen was pretty bad at times last year. OTOH, I'd be pretty surprised if Belichick threw the O-line in flux like that, with no apparent replacement, with Brady coming off of his knee injury.
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    This is the worst analysis by Reiss in some time. Why should we care about the effect on the 2010 cap at this point, especially since very likely won't be one? And why would we cut our starting center to save $500K of 2009 cap money?
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    I have no problem with letting Koppen walk. He's a classic overachiever and gets overwhelmed by larger D linemen. I know Maroney gets a lot of grief, and justifiably so, but it sure seemed like Dan Koppen was part of the reason Maroney became a dancer behind the line of scrimmage. I don't know how many times I watched D linemen pushing Koppen into the backfield, forcing RB's to make moves just to get back to the line of scrimmage. He is a liability in the run game.

    Also, I have no idea how the Pats can justify running a 3-4 without a proven pass rusher on the entire team. I understand the "In BB we trust" philosophy, but if this is not addressed before the season, I think we are in serious trouble.
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    Thomas is a proven pass rusher.
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    Actually he's not. He has 1 season of double-digit sacks in his career. Every other season of his career has been mediocre.
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    didnt they just sign him to an extension 2 season ago?
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    When did multiple double-digit sack seasons become the definition/minimum requirement of a proven pass rusher?
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    I didn't say it was. All I am saying is the Pats don't have a single guy that teams have to account for off the edge. I don't understand Pats Front Office people saying they think they can resolve the issue internally. Tully B-C has proven to be a JAG, Woods has never shown anything (I don't understand how anybody can even consider him a potential answer), Crable was not a sack in college and neither was Redd. If these guys were not pressure guys in college, why would anybody assume they're going to be anything while going against better competition? The Pats were terrible on third down last year (26th in the league), and I attribute the majority of that to their pass rush. How has their pass rush improved? Better yet, how has it not gotten worse with the loss of Vrable?
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    You used the double digit sack argument about Thomas. The reality is that his last 3 years as a Raven were 8,9 and 11 sack seasons. He's got to be accounted for.
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    Thomas is one of the best pass rushers in league. According to his bio at patriots.com, he led the league in sacks over the 2004-2006 seasons. Belichick coached him in the pro-bowl and signed him up. He only had 6.5 sacks in 2007, playing most of the season at ILB. That season, our defense had one of the best stats of any patriot teams ever. There were many, many ways we could have won the SB. The loss wasn't the fault of Thomas who had two sacks. Back at OLB, Thomas had 6 sacks last year when he was injured on November 9th. He didn't play the rest of the season.

    The bottom line is that we have Thomas back healthy. He is the major addition since last year.


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    After you've been here more than two days, you might learn that Reiss often DOES have inside information and that to compare what he says to what some guys here say in numb.

    Beyond that, read what Reiss said before going bonkers. Reiss didn't think that Kppen would be cut. Just the opposite. He thinks Koppown will make the team. But he doesn't think he is an absolute lock, and he isn't.

    Most positions on the team are not iron-clad locks. I'm certain that last February you would have said the same about Vrabel.

    Welcome to Patsfans, but kindly read a few posts before giving us definative locks for the team and embarrassing yourself.

    Not everyone likes Reiss as much as most of us do,but only a moron would say he doesn't know more than anyone here, or that he doesn't sometimes have BB's ear. Just watch them interact at a press conference.
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    only a moron would post what you did, riess also said cassel would be cut last year, great inside info there, i got news for you belichick doesnt give info to any press guy, in fact schefter has broke more stories then anyone on the pats,and hes not local,stop thinking that everything riess says is gospel and that hes some authority, hes a good reporter, but just like you and me on his thoughts, hes good at posting on his blog after the news is emailed to him, just like its done to every reporter, and im sorry to tell you koppen is a lock for the roster sorry mike riess your wrong there and were wrong about cassell, i believe riess pedicted a pass rusher on draft day, whoops he was wrong again, get the message now, take a look in the mirror before you start name calling people morons
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    ya the truth hurts doesnt it, you shouldnt hate people thats not a good way to go thru life hating people, usaully when people start hating people because they disagree we them , its not a good thing, thosr people usaully hate themselves and thier standing in life, again not a good thing, remember this is only football,calm done , take a xanax relax
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    No actually I am quite happy thank you. I have the right to feel however I want to feel about someone. Your ignorance about this team, our coach and Reiss is laughable. Combine that with your naive absolute statements and grandstanding and I've seen all I need to see.
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    Us Patsfans moron constituency take offense at your profligate use of the appelation
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    so with you anything riess says you must agree?? you should get a mind of your own, a reporter s view is no different than mine or yours, they are just like me and you they go to the bathroom like me and you, ive learned a longtime ago you shouldnt believe everything the press says or writes, maybe you ought take some friendly advise, riess is a good source for info, but just dont believe everything he says, there is this sentiment anything the man says is right and ive proven him to be wrong numerous times,but if you want to belive everything he says thats your problem, hell the people at jonestown believed everything jim jones said and look where it got them
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    Reiss outright said that he was making an educated guess, didn't he? I know that he gets inside info sometimes, but I don't thin ANYONE's getting inside info on who's in jeopardy in TC. He's just working off the same assumptions as most other people, and IMO the explanation that he gave wasn't very good.
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